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Canadian Heathcare system sucks!!

Yeah, we know our medical system has problems, (and they appear to be getting worse), but if you want to know what people think of socialized medicine up here, this probably gives you a pretty good idea:

A few years back the CBC ran a highly publicized nationwide contest for the "Greatest Canadian of All Time". Anyone could be nominated & over a million people voted on it (a lot for Canada) - and who won? - Was it Wayne Gretzky? Celine Dion? Donald Sutherland?

No, the surprise winner was Donald Sutherland's father-in-law - the father of Canadian socialized medicine, Tommy Douglas: http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/

My own observation is if the government here wanted to ban guns, they'd have a bit of a fight from some quarters - but you'd have to take socialized medicine out of our COLD DEAD HANDS!!!
 
My own observation is if the government here wanted to ban guns, they'd have a bit of a fight from some quarters - but you'd have to take socialized medicine out of our COLD DEAD HANDS!!!
Based on the delusions of some conservatives here, those same conservatives might actually think this of a somewhat funny and ironic statement.

Of course, I'm not with them. I want the USA to have socialized meds. Some people think it's only the poor that want this, but I am hardly poor but can see how a medical misfortune could ruin me and my family financially, as well as physically.
 
Funny thing, how terrible Canadian medicine is!

I'd heard that said so often on this forum, but at the same time the same people were saying how awful the British NHS is, and what they were saying about that, I knew to be lies. So I kind of wondered about the Canadian system.

At Easter I had a Canadian student sharing my office. She'd decided she wanted to do her veterinary degree abroad (even though Guelph has one of the world's top veterinary colleges). Anyway, she'd chosen Edinburgh. 25-year-old woman, been around a bit, very bright student. So I asked her what the healthcare was like in Canada.

She told me she was extremely satisfied with it, and mentioned a few anecdotes of excellent care received by members of her family. She said in particular, treatment was prioritised by urgency of need, so it was quite easy to find people with not-terribly-urgent conditions bitching about waiting times. However, the reason for that was that people with urgent needs were being prioritised above them.

She then, quite spontaneously, said that healthcare was her main reason for having rejected the USA as the place to do her veterinary studies. She said she'd been there, had some idea of what it was like, and frankly if she ever got sick in the US, she'd be on the next train or plane back to Canada she could possibly get on. She had specifically chosen Scotland as the place where she was going to live for five years because of our universal healthcare system.

Ambulance for a dislocated shoulder? I know it's bloody sore, but that's still "walking wounded". If you have transport available and someone else to drive you, I can't understand anyone who would expect an ambulance to come for them for that one.

Physiotherapy not covered? Well, it's covered on the NHS, but people still sometimes choose to go privately - for example, a private physiotherapist will come to your house. But do I detect an inflated sense of entitlement here? The more a scheme covers, the more it costs. If certain peripherals aren't covered, then it keeps down costs, or allows more money to be allocated to central services. So the system expects citizens to take some responsibility for certain aspects of healthcare? How terrible! I wonder how much an insurance policy to cover these small peripheral requirements might cost per month?

My colleague in the next office here is Portuguese, and she just started talking about the Portuguese health service - specifically about how easy it is to see a specialist there compared to the NHS, we were talking about another colleague who has been off sick. She said, "We Portuguese are a nation of complainers. We love to moan about the health service all the time. But it's really very good indeed. For goodness sake, it's a basic human right!"

I suggested she say that to certain Americans of my acquaintance, then just wait for the explosion.

Point being, every country has a different system. Some countries have a variety of systems in different states or provinces, even. And it's human nature to complain about the service. You'll get plenty people complaining about the service in the USA too, even people with insurance.

Just finding one country, or perhaps province, where there is a problem with universal healthcare, doesn't mean this problem is universal. In fact, just finding one anecdote doesn't even mean there's a problem there at all. And just because a few people in countries with universal healthcare have exercised their right to complain (even about something as minor as having to get a lift to hospital with a "walking wounded" injury) doesn't mean that anything Obama proposes is going to be a disaster.

Is he proposing a system identical to Canada's? Don't think so. Is Canada's healthcare system a disaster? Don't think so. Would Canadians in general prefer to have the US system for healthcare? Don't think so. Should someone with a dislocated shoulder have the right to demand an ambulance to come and take him to hospital when he has a car available and someone able to drive him?

Don't think so.

Rolfe.
 
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well..the arm remained dislocated. it didnt go back in for a while.

i called an ambulance cause i had food poisoning once. i had to pay like $100 for the ambulance and insurance covered the rest.

And when you are put in the que with other patients who are at the ER for non life threatening conditions because they have no insurance, you might get that shoulder dealt with within 10 hours in the US.
 
Dislocated shoulder! PAH! Used to play rugby, saw 'em all the time, never met anyone who thought they needed a ruddy ambulance.
 
Dislocated shoulder! PAH! Used to play rugby, saw 'em all the time, never met anyone who thought they needed a ruddy ambulance.


Actually, in the unlikely event that you have a dislocated shoulder and nobody available to drive you to hospital, call a taxi, dammit!

Americans get all het up about people taking responsibility for themselves and not expecting the state to provide everything, but then when they come across someone else's state where some minor peripheral luxuries aren't provided, they howl "it sucks!"

Double standards, anyone?

Rolfe.
 
So how does this magic health care get paid for?

I have GHI too and also pay no premiums. My employer (the City of New York) pays approximately $5,000 per employee for yearly GHI. The City gets the bulk rate, which is probably 1/3 of what an individual would pay.
 
...Americans get all het up about people taking responsibility for themselves and not expecting the state to provide everything, but then when they come across someone else's state where some minor peripheral luxuries aren't provided, they howl "it sucks!"

Double standards, anyone?

Rolfe.
Overgeneralization, anyone?
 
well, if i had my way, all Americans would basically have the same coverage as I do from GHI.

i pay NO monthly premiums. but i pay a $20 co-pay every time i see a doctor and have to pay an additional co-pay for certain other things like x-rays, ambulance, surgery, etc.

yes..it takes money out of my pocket....but WAAAYYY less then if I had no insurance.

I have GHI too and also pay no premiums. My employer (the City of New York) pays approximately $5,000 per employee for yearly GHI. The City gets the bulk rate, which is probably 1/3 of what an individual would pay.
Which means your rather expensive plan is being paid for by taxpayers, the majority of which are unable to access it. Canadian taxpayers pay about $3,000/year for our health care and everyone gets to access it.

And good luck accessing it if you change jobs.

Epic fail, Parky.
 
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Nurses are overworked and understaffed, you can't expect to have good service under these conditions.
 
Actually, in the unlikely event that you have a dislocated shoulder and nobody available to drive you to hospital, call a taxi, dammit!
:)

But it was a dislocated shoulder, man! How could he possible dial any phone number longer than 911?!

Yeah. . in the U.S. you'd pay your own transportation to the E.R., and then wait at the very least 2 hours.

However, as has been said, Obama's plan is nothing like a single-payer system. So unfortunately, Obama's plan won't make our system more like Canada's.
 
Nurses are overworked and understaffed, you can't expect to have good service under these conditions.

Yeah...That's pretty much the case everywhere, though, and I don't think it's a function of the system as such. I think it's more a result of people not realizing how vital nurses are to quality health care.
 
Yeah...That's pretty much the case everywhere, though, and I don't think it's a function of the system as such. I think it's more a result of people not realizing how vital nurses are to quality health care.

I think it's indicative that we don't have the means to maintain the system in place as is. Alot of people are turning to the private system, and I don't blame them.
 

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