A new investigation for 9/11. Why?

[Unsecured Coins]

Any truther want to take a shot at answering this question?

(God, I hope so. Legaltainment would surely ensue.)

Black Michael Jackson eagerly waits for an answer

 

[deep]

Any truther want to take a shot at answering this question?

(God, I hope so. Legaltainment would surely ensue.)

From the petition (bolding mine):

5. The Commission shall have the power to place witnesses under oath, issue subpoenas for documents and testimony, take and record testimony, and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of subpoenas, Letters Rogatory, or Applications for Mutual Assistance, for service upon persons, corporations, agencies or other entities beyond the subpoena power granted to the Commission. ​

 

[Hokulele]

That's just the wording of the petition. You can put anything you want in a petition. It's a form you get from the city and you can put in four pages of "marshmallow, marshmallow, marshmallow, marshmallow". It doesn't mean that what's in the petition is backed by code.

Awesome.

 

[jhunter1163]

From the petition (bolding mine):

5. The Commission shall have the power to place witnesses under oath, issue subpoenas for documents and testimony, take and record testimony, and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of subpoenas, Letters Rogatory, or Applications for Mutual Assistance, for service upon persons, corporations, agencies or other entities beyond the subpoena power granted to the Commission. ​

"Apply to". Snicker.

 

[jhunter1163]

Another little tidbit I found. The NYCCAN petition says that Ralph Schoenman, political scientist, would be one of the commissioners. The same Ralph Schoenman who wrote "The Hidden History of Zionism" and is a notorious anti-Semite. That'll sit well in New York. [/sarcasm]

 

[Justin39640]

From the petition (bolding mine):

5. The Commission shall have the power to place witnesses under oath, issue subpoenas for documents and testimony, take and record testimony, and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of subpoenas, Letters Rogatory, or Applications for Mutual Assistance, for service upon persons, corporations, agencies or other entities beyond the subpoena power granted to the Commission. ​

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[T.A.M.]

As I understand- if the referendum passes, it will modify the city charter of NYC. As a matter of local law, they will have subpoena power.

Are you referring to individual subpoenas being rejected? How do you know this?

What I am talking about, is that any suggestion/request/proposition, that if successful would grant the group, blanket subpoena power, is dead at the gate. No judge, or body/institution, is going to grant a group of unappointed, and likelty unqualified individuals the ability to subpoena people at will...just not going to happen. The 9/11 commission was a CONGRESS appointed commission of qualified individuals.

Do you REALLY think some judge etc... is simply going to allow a group of "whatevers" to come along, and start subpoenaing Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc...?

really????

TAM

 

[Quad4_72]

What I am talking about, is that any suggestion/request/proposition, that if successful would grant the group, blanket subpoena power, is dead at the gate. No judge, or body/institution, is going to grant a group of unappointed, and likelty unqualified individuals the ability to subpoena people at will...just not going to happen. The 9/11 commission was a CONGRESS appointed commission of qualified individuals.

Do you REALLY think some judge etc... is simply going to allow a group of "whatevers" to come along, and start subpoenaing Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc...?

really????

TAM

I think you already know his answer to that one....yes lol.

 

[deep]

Another little tidbit I found. The NYCCAN petition says that Ralph Schoenman, political scientist, would be one of the commissioners. The same Ralph Schoenman who wrote "The Hidden History of Zionism" and is a notorious anti-Semite. That'll sit well in New York. [/sarcasm]

How do you know he is a notorious anti-Semite? Are you claiming that only an anti-Semite could write that book, or do you have some other reason to believe that?

 

[carlitos]

How do you know he is a notorious anti-Semite?

Because he is.

 

[deep]

What I am talking about, is that any suggestion/request/proposition, that if successful would grant the group, blanket subpoena power, is dead at the gate. No judge, or body/institution, is going to grant a group of unappointed, and likelty unqualified individuals the ability to subpoena people at will...just not going to happen. The 9/11 commission was a CONGRESS appointed commission of qualified individuals.

Do you REALLY think some judge etc... is simply going to allow a group of "whatevers" to come along, and start subpoenaing Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc...?

Are you referring to subpoena power within NYC, or subpoena power outside of NYC (out-of-state, federal, etc)? Part of your message suggests the former, while another part suggests the latter.

In other words, are you claiming that no judge will grant them subpoena power within NYC?

 

[triforcharity]

What he is saying is that they are going to have a VERY difficult time issuing subpoena power to a group of people who are not lawyers, judges, and the like. Notice in the petition it states VERY clearly : "and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of subpoenas"


Meaning, they would have to APPLY to SOMEONE ELSE to ACTUALLY get the subpoena issued. They, as their own intity, CANNOT issue a subpoena. They caan REQUEST that a governing body do it, but THEY THEMSELF cannot do it.

If they send me a subpoena, I can send it back to them with a big FU on the front, and they cannot do SQUAT about it. It would have to come from a federal judge.

Der.

 

[deep]

If they send me a subpoena, I can send it back to them with a big FU on the front, and they cannot do SQUAT about it. It would have to come from a federal judge.

Where are you getting this information from? If I'm not mistaken, you would be subpoenaed to a court in the state you currently live in to give a deposition (or whatever else, based on the subpoena), but that's only if your state court agrees to do it.

Like I told you before, I don't know for sure.. and I'm pretty sure you don't, either.

 

[Quad4_72]

Where are you getting this information from? If I'm not mistaken, you would be subpoenaed to a court in the state you currently live in to give a deposition (or whatever else, based on the subpoena), but that's only if your state court agrees to do it.

Like I told you before, I don't know for sure.. and I'm pretty sure you don't, either.

I am thinking your little commission of nutters is not going to be what you think it is...
My guess is that it will be a handful of people who will go out on the street, shout "9/11 was an inside job!", make complete fools of themselves, then go back to living their paranoid lives. Just another FAIL to add to the "Truth" movement.

 

[triforcharity]

I am pretty sure that if it is not stamped by a sitting judge, or member of congress, it is just a word on a piece of paper. I do know this, because my union lawyer, who also happens to be my father-in-law, has told me that it won't mean SQUAT.

Here are his exact words.

" HA HA HA HA, these ******** morons think that they can just subpoena someone, because THEY say so??? What a bunch of maroons.."

 

[jhunter1163]

How do you know he is a notorious anti-Semite? Are you claiming that only an anti-Semite could write that book, or do you have some other reason to believe that?

http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html

Here ya go. Listen to some of his rantings here. I wouldn't put Schoenman in charge of a bake sale, much less a 9/11 investigation.

 

[LashL]

From the petition (bolding mine):

5. The Commission shall have the power to place witnesses under oath, issue subpoenas for documents and testimony, take and record testimony, and to apply to the appropriate federal, state, out-of-state or foreign courts for the issuance of subpoenas, Letters Rogatory, or Applications for Mutual Assistance, for service upon persons, corporations, agencies or other entities beyond the subpoena power granted to the Commission. ​

Deep, you didn't answer my question. My question was:

What makes you think that any subpoena power that can be granted pursuant to a NYC local law would have any force or effect upon anyone located anywhere other than in NYC?

There are other problems with the petition, of course, not least of which are jurisdictional and constitutional problems that will preclude the proposed group from obtaining any subpoena power whatsoever, but I first want to know, hypothetically speaking, what reason you have to believe that any subpoena power conferred by the City Council of NYC would have any force or effect on anyone outside of NYC.

 

[LashL]

And when you're done with that one, deep, here's another more fundamental question for you: what makes you think that the City Council of NYC has the power or authority to grant subpoena-issuing powers to a group such as the commission proposed in the petition?

In other words, upon what specific provisions of the governing legislation do the petition-drafters rely in order to bring the requested relief within the purview of City Council's limited authority to adopt a local law?

 

[Baylor]

In other words, upon what specific provisions of the governing legislation do the petition-drafters rely in order to bring the requested relief within the purview of City Council's limited authority to adopt a local law?

Yes.

 

[jhunter1163]

God, I love it when LashL uses her lawyer voice. The only thing better is when she lets Mrs. JHunter1163 borrow her incentivizer, but that's for another thread.