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Merged Recent climate observations disagreement with projections

What is the topic? Two post have just been combined making this thread one big mess. Matt time to grow a pair.

An interesting sentiment from someone who runs away from the slightest challenge to their ideas. Hmmm.

Going to ever get back on topic, PT?
 
An interesting sentiment from someone who runs away from the slightest challenge to their ideas. Hmmm.
I never ran away from it Matt! I replied to your comment as I always did. You are now lying and repeating it as if I never replied to it! But wait could my reply have been one that was moderator edited? Must be a conspiracy or it could of just been censored.
 
I never ran away from it Matt! I replied to your comment as I always did. You are now lying and repeating it as if I never replied to it! But wait could my reply have been one that was moderator edited? Must be a conspiracy or it could of just been censored.

The record disagrees with you. Keep running, PT, and I'll keep chasing you down with the same question you refuse to face honestly. And as I already stated, anyone who clicks that link can clearly see that your posts are still present in their original form. There has been no censorship.

Get back on topic.
 
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Nope the topic was "Recent climate observations disagreement with projections (PDF) (David R. B. Stockwell"

Now a totally unrelated thread was merged with it for no reason other than to censor its content by burying it in this thread. So when you wish to open your eyes let me know.


Be that as it may, you have made the claim (in both threads, before they were merged) that your computer science expertise tells you that computer models have no validity. (With the possible exceptions of ones that can be tested against "the real thing" under controlled conditions, such as aircraft flight dynamics models.)

So, do you, Poptech, ever use forecasts derived from economic computer models to guide your investments or other business decisions? Do any businesses you work for, invest in, consult with, or contract with use them? Or do you only deal with companies that derive their business plans from laboratory tests?

If you're okay with paying attention to economic computer models, is that because all their predictions are always accurate? Do you have your own global economy that you can test them against?

In short, is your attitude regarding use of economic computer models to inform personal and corporate business decisions consistent with your attitude regarding use of climate models to inform public policy decisions?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Can you summarize the answer?

I will stick around for a few minutes, so I can read it right away, before anyone.... butchers.... it.
I do not feel they have been of any real use and should be discarded. There is nothing that can predict the future.
 
I answered it Matt! The post is right after yours.

And you are referring to your original dodge, which I have already laid out clearly in my post. Referring to an earlier attempt to move the goalposts does you no favors. You still haven't addressed my fundamental challenge with your arguments about 100% accuracy - let me lay them out again.

Everyone here can easily see what you're doing. The hole is only getting deeper for you, PT :dig:

Now answer my question or are you denying it?

Another shifting of the goalposts. You need to take it to the CT subforum :rolleyes:
 
So, do you, Poptech, ever use forecasts derived from economic computer models to guide your investments or other business decisions? Do any businesses you work for, invest in, consult with, or contract with use them? Or do you only deal with companies that derive their business plans from laboratory tests?
No quantitative economic models are just as useless. Some of the companies I deal with use them. A business plan based on real economics and not quantitative modeling can be done. Thank you for bringing up economic models as I have mentioned the uselessness of them several times.
 
Another shifting of the goalposts. You need to take it to the CT subforum :rolleyes:
There is no goal post shifts! Only your lack of understanding. I have always been talking about the accuracy of the "laboratory" which by default determines the ability to get an accurate experiment! Over and over you repeat this but lack the basic mental ability to understand it.
 
No quantitative economic models are just as useless. Some of the companies I deal with use them. A business plan based on real economics and not quantitative modeling can be done. Thank you for bringing up economic models as I have mentioned the uselessness of them several times.

Okay, thanks for addressing that.

Next question: If restrictive measures to limit carbon emissions are enacted, what adverse effects will result? In other words, why not just put the most restrictive measures in place, just to be on the safe side?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Okay, thanks for addressing that.

Next question: If restrictive measures to limit carbon emissions are enacted, what adverse effects will result? In other words, why not just put the most restrictive measures in place, just to be on the safe side?
Because it will severely cripple the economy and the measures are useless

What You Can(‘t) Do About Global Warming (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology)
 
I do not feel they have been of any real use and should be discarded.
But, what should replace them?!

Climatologists want to work with tools that will allow them to study and experiment with various aspects of the climate, effectively and efficiently; that can improve in accuracy, over time.

If you answer "nothing", then you are basically dismissing the entire science of climatology. And, that seems rather rash and irresponsible, doesn't it?


There is nothing that can predict the future.
Maybe not with 100% accuracy, but 80-90% accuracy is better than nothing, right?

I mean, heck: even 1% accuracy is better than 0%. But, somehow I suspect that our climate models, as inaccurate as they may be, are still a lot better than 1%.
 
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Because it will severely cripple the economy...


How do you know?

Maybe it will actually be good for the economy. Or only affect the economy by an insignificant amount. Or have no effect at all. Can you show me some papers in peer reviewed economics journals that prove this alleged "crippling" effect?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 

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