Investigative Journalist Stewart Bradley vs. Mark Roberts

Ok HI, lets see here, where to start.

Ok, NIST has 10,000 pages of information that they present as evidence. Once the collapse started, it was a done deal. We all know that. Everyone who matters knows that. I have never seen (well, once, but it was a failed CD) a building stop collapsing after a fire. I have seen many building collapse because of fire. Anyway, next point.




NIST said that even without the structural damage, the building was doomed. Moot point son.
NIST also said that the oil tanks only burned off about 2000 gallons of diesel. (IIRC) They also said that even if this diesel (Which, BTW, is flameable, not explosive) was ignited and sprayed directly onto a column or beam, it wouldn't have made a difference. Thay also saaid that the diesel gas played no park whatsoever in the collapse of WTC 7
NIST also mkes it a point to say that the ConEd substation below WTC 7 played no role in the WTC 7 collapse.

However, NIST DID specifically mentioned thermal expansion many times in their report on WTC 7 collapse.

Have you read their report??? My guess is you got to the second page, got confused because it says "This page left intentionally blank" and stopped reading, thinking that was the end.

So, what exactly were you saying???

I know what the NIST report says junior. I also know what everyone here said for years. And it wasn't that "without the structural damage, the building was doomed."

So how is the point that the ability of debunkers around here is very sad, a moot point?

If NIST came out tomorrow and said the towers and WTC-7 fell because 3 different earthquakes debunkers would line up right behind it. All debunker credibility (that wasn't much to begin with) was destroyed with the endorsement of the wtc-7 report after everything they claimed for years.

Admit you had no idea about WTC-7 before the report came out.
 
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NIST never prove their collapse initiation based on removal of fireproofing in the case of the towers. They never attempted to explain the collapses all the way through.
Really?
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I know what the NIST report says
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I am a junior, but that is a moot point. My father has the same name as I do, asa does my son......

No, I have every idea that WTC 7 waas going to fall. I lived in a city where there were thousands of highrise buildings. I worked fires in many of them. We all knew that a fire, in a steel framed structure, burning unabated for hours, would cause a building to fall. This is why NYC BC requires steel framed buildings to have fire retardant sprayed on the exposed steel. That is even required here in Florida, NOT in highrises. This has been a rule for many many years.
I saw the bulge in WTC 7. I saw it first hand. I saaw it without anyone pointing it out to me (I was in a S&R crew that day, but walked by 7 looking for something to drink)

If NIST told me it was because of an earthquake, I would most certainly question it because I neither saw, nor heard, nor felt, any earthquake that day. I was there, remember???

Now, what were you saying??
 
I am a junior, but that is a moot point. My father has the same name as I do, asa does my son......

No, I have every idea that WTC 7 waas going to fall. I lived in a city where there were thousands of highrise buildings. I worked fires in many of them. We all knew that a fire, in a steel framed structure, burning unabated for hours, would cause a building to fall. This is why NYC BC requires steel framed buildings to have fire retardant sprayed on the exposed steel. That is even required here in Florida, NOT in highrises. This has been a rule for many many years.
I saw the bulge in WTC 7. I saw it first hand. I saaw it without anyone pointing it out to me (I was in a S&R crew that day, but walked by 7 looking for something to drink)

If NIST told me it was because of an earthquake, I would most certainly question it because I neither saw, nor heard, nor felt, any earthquake that day. I was there, remember???

Now, what were you saying??

So then why were firefighters still running into the building?

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Tower one. Battalion Seven to Ladder 15.

Fifteen."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."

Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."

Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."


Couldn't anyone who was outside the building and could see what you could see radio them it was a lost cause?

Did you have a radio?
 
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Yes, I had a radio that day. But you see, here is the thing about firefighters. We are the crazy bastards who look death and danger in the face and LAUGH at it. That is what we do. We all knew that there were survivors still in the building. We all knew that. But, what we do as firefighters is SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES! That is what we do. Not for the publicity, or the thanks, or anything like that. We do it because there is no other joy in the world than to save another human beings life. I'd still do it even if they didn't pay me!

Google "Firefighter's Prayer" It sums it up pretty well.
 
So then why were firefighters still running into the building?

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."

Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Tower one. Battalion Seven to Ladder 15.

Fifteen."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."

Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."

Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."

Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."


Couldn't anyone who was outside the building and could see what you could see radio them it was a lost cause?

Did you have a radio?

"STILL RUNNING IN THE BUILDING?? ARE YOU KIDDING?

You pathetic troll, he is talking about WTC7, and you post a god damn quote from firemen in the towers that collapsed hours earlier??

UNBELIEVABLE. You know damn well that there were no firemen in WTC7, so why the bald faced lie?

Keep searching for the truth, "truther."
 
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Yes, I had a radio that day. But you see, here is the thing about firefighters. We are the crazy bastards who look death and danger in the face and LAUGH at it. That is what we do. We all knew that there were survivors still in the building. We all knew that. But, what we do as firefighters is SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES! That is what we do. Not for the publicity, or the thanks, or anything like that. We do it because there is no other joy in the world than to save another human beings life. I'd still do it even if they didn't pay me!

Google "Firefighter's Prayer" It sums it up pretty well.

Thank you for risking your life everyday to keep me and my crap safe.
 
Yes, I had a radio that day. But you see, here is the thing about firefighters. We are the crazy bastards who look death and danger in the face and LAUGH at it. That is what we do. We all knew that there were survivors still in the building. We all knew that. But, what we do as firefighters is SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES! That is what we do. Not for the publicity, or the thanks, or anything like that. We do it because there is no other joy in the world than to save another human beings life. I'd still do it even if they didn't pay me!

Google "Firefighter's Prayer" It sums it up pretty well.

Nope. What I posted there was a firefighter who was looking to put out a fire with just two lines and was calling other firefighters to come and help him from down below him.

Did he not know what he was looking at? Because I think he did. I think he was a hero who knew his job and would never have jeopardize the well being of his fellow firefighters. I also don't believe that any firefighter who was outside the building with a radio and your "expert opinion" would have said anything else to them but "get the hell out!" if they even had just a hunch that the building was going to collapse.

Did no one tell them to get the hell out even though you and supposedly others could tell the building was going to collapse on their friends?

This is all stupid. There is footage of firefighters standing below the towers right before they collapsed with absolutely no idea that it was going to happen.

You can tell by first the surprised look on their faces, and then how they ran like hell to get to where they already would have been if they really had an idea the tower was going to collapse.

And at the time they weren't using their radio telling anyone to get out of the way.

Apparently including you.
 
"STILL RUNNING IN THE BUILDING?? ARE YOU KIDDING?

You pathetic troll, he is talking about WTC7, and you post a god damn quote from firemen in the towers that collapsed hours earlier??

UNBELIEVABLE. You know damn well that there were no firemen in WTC7, so why the bald faced lie?

Keep searching for the truth, "truther."

WTC-7 wasn't the only building to collapse that day nor was it the only building debunkers claim that people knew and expected to collapse.

Nor is it the only building I am talking about.
 
WTC-7 wasn't the only building to collapse that day nor was it the only building debunkers claim that people knew and expected to collapse.

Nor is it the only building I am talking about.

I know what the NIST report says junior. I also know what everyone here said for years. And it wasn't that "without the structural damage, the building was doomed."

So how is the point that the ability of debunkers around here is very sad, a moot point?

If NIST came out tomorrow and said the towers and WTC-7 fell because 3 different earthquakes debunkers would line up right behind it. All debunker credibility (that wasn't much to begin with) was destroyed with the endorsement of the wtc-7 report after everything they claimed for years.

Admit you had no idea about WTC-7 before the report came out.
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Homeland, what do you do for a living?

I'm guessing janitor, but that might be too elevated a profession to explain the chip on your shoulder.
 
Nope. What I posted there was a firefighter who was looking to put out a fire with just two lines and was calling other firefighters to come and help him from down below him.

Ok, lets look at this quote in depth, shall we??

Floor 78 was below the place of impact IIRC. This (I believe, surely someone will correct me if I am wrong) transmission was before the second tower was hit. Floor 78 had small pockets of fire, and numerous deceased victims there. If you knew the first thing about firefighting (Backdraft, while a good movie, doesn't count. Ladder 49, much better, but again, doesn't count, but more accurate than Backdraft) you would realize that we just don't run into a room thata has fire in it. We take the time to knock down some fire, cool the air in the room down, then enter it. Now, two lines is quite a bit of water. Depending on the size, (Either 2 1/2 Inch, or 3 inch, thata ALOT of water) two lines could put ALOT of water out. Math is not my strong point, but a 2 1/2" line with a TFT could put out as much as 524 gallons of water per minute, at 60 PSI. That is low PSI by FD standards. Thats ALOT of water.

Did he not know what he was looking at? Because I think he did. I think he was a hero who knew his job and would never have jeopardize the well being of his fellow firefighters. I also don't believe that any firefighter who was outside the building with a radio and your "expert opinion" would have said anything else to them but "get the hell out!" if they even had just a hunch that the building was going to collapse.

We jeoparodize our lives every day. Do you not understand that?? Did we know that the S tower was going to collapse?? Nope. How about the N. Tower, Yep. That is why MINIMAL firefighting took place in N tower after the S tower collapsed. Not to mention the lack of water pressure. We, as firefighters, don't make the decisions, our chief's and LTs do. Did anyone enter WTC 7 to fight fire that day?? Not one. Did we enter WTC 7 to make sure there were no victims inside?? Yep, you bet your ass we did.

Did no one tell them to get the hell out even though you and supposedly others could tell the building was going to collapse on their friends?
I could tell that WTC 7 was going to collapse. We just didn't know when. We also knew the N tower would come down too, we just didn't know when. If someone tells you that they are going to shoot off a mortor (Big firework) but doesn't tell you when, wouldn't you be even a little suprised?? Damn right you would.

This is all stupid. There is footage of firefighters standing below the towers right before they collapsed with absolutely no idea that it was going to happen.

You can tell by first the surprised look on their faces, and then how they ran like hell to get to where they already would have been if they really had an idea the tower was going to collapse.

And at the time they weren't using their radio telling anyone to get out of the way.

Apparently including you.
Nope, because I am not a chief. I also was not a LT. either. I was just a fireman. The suprised look is because we didn't expect it at that exact time. Now, are you trying to insinuate something by this last two sentences?? If you are, I highly advise you not to, because its not cool.

BTW, I bet there are some firefighter that would have gone in ANYWAY, even if we knew the collapse would happen. We risk our lives to save others. That is what we do. How hard is that to understand?? I risk my life EVERY TIME I go into a burning building. I may not come home to my wife and son, and I know that. But, if I don't survive, and someone else lives because of my actions, than fine by me.

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends."
John 15:16
 
Here, because aparently Google is too complicated for you.
Working through my heartfelt tears of honor for your friends, I'd love to correct the grammar.

(composing myself)

Okay, no, it does not work as well if a semi-pro tries to fix it. Your friends deserve to speak in their own voices. :(
 
Depending on the size, (Either 2 1/2 Inch, or 3 inch, thata ALOT of water) two lines could put ALOT of water out. Math is not my strong point, but a 2 1/2" line with a TFT could put out as much as 524 gallons of water per minute, at 60 PSI. That is low PSI by FD standards. Thats ALOT of water.
And at that storey, just how few of that were your hoses REALLY good for?


(Yeah, spent 10 years in the elevator biz and think in "storey," vs "story," with an "e".)
 
i would just like to point out just how disgusting HI is
he handwaves over this part of the quote

So then why were firefighters still running into the building?

"78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."

Couldn't anyone who was outside the building and could see what you could see radio them it was a lost cause?

Did you have a radio?

lets see what that means

10-45 D.O.A. OR SERIOUS INJURY
Transmitted IMMEDIATELY upon the discovery of a fatality
or serious injury at a fire or emergency. This shall be
followed as soon as possible with the appropriate Code
and the number of victims.

CODE 1 Victim Deceased
from:http://nyfd.com/radio.html

what kind of hell did that man walk into
you have no idea HI nor can you visualize it
 
We jeoparodize our lives every day. Do you not understand that?? Did we know that the S tower was going to collapse?? Nope. How about the N. Tower, Yep. That is why MINIMAL firefighting took place in N tower after the S tower collapsed. Not to mention the lack of water pressure. We, as firefighters, don't make the decisions, our chief's and LTs do. Did anyone enter WTC 7 to fight fire that day?? Not one. Did we enter WTC 7 to make sure there were no victims inside?? Yep, you bet your ass we did.
You have to understand, you are talking to a coward. This is a grown man who is afraid to tell anonymous people on the Internet what he does for a living. Here's a grown man who gets a kick out of trolling Internet message boards because he doesn't have a lick of talent. He would run like a little girl in any dangerous situation, let alone 9/11, so he expects everyone else would do the same. You don't need to explain yourself to him. It's understand you are brave and he is a coward.

Hats off to you for your service.
 

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