Investigative Journalist Stewart Bradley vs. Mark Roberts

[Gravy]

from: Mark Roberts <[email protected]>
to: [email protected]
date: Thu, Feb 12, 2009

subject: Face off with the Debunkers. Part 1 – Mark Roberts

Hello Stewart.

It's been brought to my attention that you made a blog post in which you claim to have had a debate via YouTube comments with me. You didn't. I have never gone by the name "clunkityclunk4truth" or anything like it, I did not host the video channel you refer to or make those videos, and I have never debated via YouTube comments.

Your work stands as an exemplar of 9/11 "Truth Movement" research.

I expect your apology and retraction in bold print at the beginning of that blog post to make it clear that the person you were debating was not me and did not represent him or herself as me.

Sincerely,
Mark Roberts

 

[Baylor]

Clunkityclunk4truth was blender head, a 21 year old from Colorado who likes Bad Religion, Keith Olbermann, and anything that has to do with left wing politics.

Is this you? If not, someone's posing as you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/markroberts911

 

[Gravy]

Clunkityclunk4truth was blender head, a 21 year old from Colorado who likes Bad Religion, Keith Olbermann, and anything that has to do with left wing politics.

He had sent an email last month saying that truthers had gotten the site pulled. I hadn't seen the site and didn't know anyone was confusing us until now. Unfortunately Bradley's post was picked up by several other blogs and websites.

Is this you? If not, someone's posing as you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/markroberts911

It's not, but it's a very common name. I sent a message asking him to disambiguate for his viewers, if he has any. Thanks.

 

[240-185]

I "like" how he's describing you...

"although he works as a NYC guide", which sounds to me like "hey, don't trust this guy, he's just a guide, don't care about his work! From their side, troofers have experts!"

 

[Baylor]

I don't think it was the truthers who got his accounts closed. Blender Head's YouTube accounts always had some copyrighted material. He posted Bill Maher shows, Keith Olbermann, and many other videos I think were copyrighted by Viacom. He got his other account suspended, ArmchairRevolution. He used to mention you a lot when he had his 9/11 channels. That's probably why truthers thought he was you. Now he has another account, politikaljunkie.

ETA and a little OT: Truthers love "debating" via YouTube comments. With the unlimited number of sockpuppets one can have, one can just mark all the "debunkers'" comments as spam or thumbs down and the comment won't be shown. Any post of substance by anyone (however rare it is) can be wiped off the first page in seconds and near impossible to find just by pouding away comment after comment. They do it all the time. Truther forums may be going the way of the dinosaur, but they made YouTube their new breeding ground.

 

[Tweeter]

Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.

 

[njslim]

Maybe Gravy is just a hologram? Just asking questions you know......

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

He had sent an email last month saying that truthers had gotten the site pulled. I hadn't seen the site and didn't know anyone was confusing us until now. Unfortunately Bradley's post was picked up by several other blogs and websites.

Oh no. With the current tally of removed factual errors from truthersites, we'll be spending the coming years debunking newbie truthers "Mark Robert lost the Youtube debate!" claims. Sigh.

 

[bje]

Oh no. With the current tally of removed factual errors from truthersites, we'll be spending the coming years debunking newbie truthers "Mark Robert lost the Youtube debate!" claims. Sigh.

We could confuse them with a Flash Mob of "Mark Roberts" at Ground Zero.

 

[johnny karate]

The page appears to have been taken down. Once again, a Truther fails to admit their mistakes and instead just pretends like it never happened.

Bonus: Title of a blog entry from December 24, 2008: "Newly Surfaced Video Proves Existence of Plan to "Take Down" Building 7" complete with link to a prisonplanet.com article titled "FDNY Lieutenant Admitted Plan To ‘Take Down’ WTC7". So this guy is just another FDNY-hating scumbag. Classy stuff.

 

[lapman]

I "like" how he's describing you...

"although he works as a NYC guide", which sounds to me like "hey, don't trust this guy, he's just a guide, don't care about his work! From their side, troofers have experts!"

Wait. Mark is a GUIDE? That makes him a pilot. Therefore, according to pfft logic, he didn't even need to do any research to know everything there is about 9/11. Wow, Mark, you wasted all that time.

 

[CptColumbo]

Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.

It's a common name. I'm not a tour guide and my last name isn't Roberts, but I'm half-way there.

 

[DGM]

Maybe there are two Mark Roberts that work as tour guides who also are debunkers. Just a coincidence. You know how they are.

"Mark Roberts" is also (or atleast was) one of the producers of "Two and a Half Men" with Charlie Shean. I don't believe it's the same one. What's your point?

 

[sleahead]

A correction and apology has now been posted.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

A correction and apology has now been posted.

Well he did correct it, which does count for something; despite not agreeing with his overall position. Fairness in a debate is a very positive thing.

 

[Gravy]

A correction and apology has now been posted.

That's good. He was going to keep the post pulled, but I asked him to restore it and add the correction. Otherwise no one who was linked to it from other blogs or sites would know about the error, and would assume that I'd been "pwned" as described in the comments at those sites.

 

[beachnut]

Well he did correct it, which does count for something; despite not agreeing with his overall position. Fairness in a debate is a very positive thing.

If he had the knowledge he could correct his delusional stand on 911. He spews crap as if it was the truth. This may be the only thing he ever gets right on 911.

Why can't he research 911 like he finally figure out this tough topic?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

If he had the knowledge he could correct his delusional stand on 911. He spews crap as if it was the truth. This may be the only thing he ever gets right on 911.

Why can't he research 911 like he finally figure out this tough topic?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I believe he could actually apply the same logic to 9-11. It is unfortunate that only after being embarassed can he correct a completely wrong story.

I didn't mean to imply that I was 100% supportive of the guy, and I would hope that this might awaken him to actually look into the research of Mark Roberts. Because that was what snapped me out of the truther mindset.

 

[johnny karate]

A correction and apology has now been posted.

Good on him. I retract my previous snide comment.

 

[bje]

That's good. He was going to keep the post pulled, but I asked him to restore it and add the correction. Otherwise no one who was linked to it from other blogs or sites would know about the error, and would assume that I'd been "pwned" as described in the comments at those sites.

You handled that very well, Mark.