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"Direct perception" from the diagram leads to the incorrect conclusion there would always be gaps.

This is not how direct perception is used

Doron, as much as you would like to believe everything is always about you, this was not. The comment was to Apathia about Apathia's "direct perception". If you have an issue with how the term is being used, then (1) define it, and (2) take it up with Apathia.

So, I will take your accusation of lying on my part not as a lie on your part, but yet another demonstration of your poor reading skills.

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jsfisher you have reached the bottom. Game is over for you.

I still have no idea what you mean by this.
 
Since all of the posters of that thread are verbal-only thinkers, they are unable to use direct perception in order to get what is written in http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf .

Simple as that.
That's exactly my point - you're effectively saying we need to understand it before we can understand it...

Let us know when you can give us any practical worked example of OM in action, or an example of someone who can use their 'direct perception' to understand and use OM effectively. Perhaps we can ask them to explain what they do.

I suspect that if you post this stuff on a new-age woo forum, you'll find plenty of people who'll say they get it and think it's wonderful - if that's what you're after...
 
The Ford Circles correspond only to the rational numbers, so there should be no expectation the tangent points would "cover" the real line. Still, I agree it is a good example, but for a different reason than you were thinking. It shows how Doron's "direct perception" can lead to false conclusions.

"Direct perception" from the diagram leads to the incorrect conclusion there would always be gaps. In fact, the rationals are everywhere dense, so there are no gaps. But after correcting for this mis-perception, "direct perception" leads to another incorrect conclusion that the rationals cover the real line.

I realized they only corresponded to the Rational Numbers, but still found the illustration cute, so to speak.
There's a Lewis Carrol quality to it.
But it seems I'm not only suffering from an ignorance of the subtlies of accepted mathematics, but I really wasn't directly perceiving in the illustration what Doron meant it to give a direct perception of.

It now has something to do with "Complexity" and "Simplicity," and I don't know what Doron means by this new word combo yet.

Well, I get half way to understanding him, but before I can close the gap, there is another halfway to be traversed. Then another, then another ....

But I'm sure he'd say that's because I'm going "step by step." and am a "verbal thinker."

I think he does have a basic frame he hangs everything on. And I sort of see it. It's the fractal partitioning or whatever you want to call it, that's generally based on two stand alone, contrary principles.
Every question about the frame requires an answer that articulates a new interacting word pair and partitions spawned by it.
The deeper you go, the more it fractures.

But heck, I have a handle with no bicycle attached to it. lol
 
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Is this answer specifically regarding the Lego idea? If so, then please give a different example. Any example of OM in use would help.
 
Doron, as much as you would like to believe everything is always about you, this was not. The comment was to Apathia about Apathia's "direct perception". If you have an issue with how the term is being used, then (1) define it, and (2) take it up with Apathia.

So, I will take your accusation of lying on my part not as a lie on your part, but yet another demonstration of your poor reading skills.



I still have no idea what you mean by this.

Direct perception, in the case of Ford circle is not less than the circles AND also what is between the circles.

Both Aphatia and you need direct perception training, before you conclude anything about its usefulness.

As we clearly see, your verbal skills do not help you to use direct perception.
 
That's exactly my point - you're effectively saying we need to understand it before we can understand it...

No, you need to immediately get it, before you use any verbal way in order to describe it.

Description is nothing but a particular representation of direct perception.

Please see how jsfisher and aphatia fail to get the direct perception notion that is based on Ford circle, exactly because they are using only verbal skills ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4873043&postcount=4401 and http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4873728&postcount=4408 ).

This is an up to date concrete example of the need of direct perception training, in order to use it correctly.

Verbal skills are natural, yet we need training in order to correctly use them.

So is the case with direct perception, and OM is exactly this training.
 
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The sad fact is that this claimed great advance in maths whose goal is apparently to enable all creatures to communicate more effectively, has fallen at the first hurdle - after 9 months and 4500 messages, you have been quite unable to communicate it effectively to the very people you clearly feel it was most worth spending all that time and effort on.
9 months? That's not even the half of it. If you search the web, you'll find this has been going for at least 5 or 6 years. Yet it feels as though it's being made up as they go along.

Just like OS123, which I mentioned earlier, all sorts of benefits are promised, including world peace, but specifics are absent, and if you don't understand, it's your fault.
Still waiting for that worked example of OM in practice, by the way - even an idealised exemplar would help - although I think I understand why we haven't seen one.

The latest reason seems to be commercial confidentiality. Which makes sense; why would you disclose that what you were trying to sell was worthless?
 
Well, I get half way to understanding him, but before I can close the gap, there is another halfway to be traversed. Then another, then another ....

aphatia, you simply do not use the at-once aspect (the non-local aspect) of the researched, and use only the finitely or infinitely many partial (local) aspects of the researched.

OM is exactly the framework where No-locality\Locality linkage is researched and developed, where your cognition's training is a real-time significant factor of the research.
 
aphatia, you simply do not use the at-once aspect (the non-local aspect) of the researched, and use only the finitely or infinitely many partial (local) aspects of the researched.

OM is exactly the framework where No-locality\Locality linkage is researched and developed, where your cognition's training is a real-time significant factor of the research.

Game is over for me.
 
Game is over for me.
The verbal-game is over, you can add also direct perception and start a game where both verbal and direct perception complement each other.

This is exactly what OM is, a complementation between verbal and direct perception skills.
 
OK jsfisher we came to the point where I am taking off my gloves.

I believe that posters like The Man, zooterkin, ddt, dlorde, aphatia, and more really do not get OM.

You are different. You understand exactly how OM's reasoning deeply changes the most fundamental concepts of the mathematical science as clearly written in http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf.

Your silence about the full content of page 3 of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf is a simple proof that clearly supports my argument about you.

Fact 1:

You get http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf .


Fact 2:

Because you get http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf you are using for purpose a misleading information about OM whenever you can, and your last maneuver of misleading information is clearly written in your reply to aphatia about Ford circles (your reply to him is in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4872949&postcount=4391 and my answer to you about your reply to him is in http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4873043&postcount=4401 .


Fact 3:

Each time when you use a misleading information about OM as you did in purpose in aphatia's case, you will hear from me.
 
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Your silence about the full content of page 3 of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf is a simple proof that clearly supports my argument about you.

Lack of evidence is evidence? I never knew silence could be so incriminating.

The simple fact is, like so much of what you write, your Organic Mathematics (OM) - The Science of Direct Perception is chaotic in its organization and disjoint in its presentation. It asserts facts that aren't, it provides definitions that aren't, and it relies on reasoning that isn't.

ETA: ...and much of it is a mindless copy and paste of parts of your other writings.​

There is no point discussing page 3 of your latest treatise when page 1 is such an utter failure.
 
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