Deeper than primes

[Christian Klippel]

Wow, doron just crammed 4 links to the same PDF of his numerology into one post.

I would consider this spamming of the forum in an attempt to trick Google to get a higher ranking.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[doronshadmi]

Lack of evidence is evidence? I never knew silence could be so incriminating.

The simple fact is, like so much of what you write, your Organic Mathematics (OM) - The Science of Direct Perception is chaotic in its organization and disjoint in its presentation. It asserts facts that aren't, it provides definitions that aren't, and it relies on reasoning that isn't.

There is no point discussing page 3 of your latest treatise when page 1 is such an utter failure.

jsfisher, stop your phony games, I know exactly that you understand any page of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf and how what is written in this article changes fundamentals of the mathematical science.

From now on, any misdealing information about OM will be immediately exposed.

As for your " And still we have no examples. " and other posts of that kind, you simply make yourself ridicules because since you perfectly understand http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf content, you also perfectly understand that examples are given almost in any page of it.

 

[realpaladin]

Don't waste your time with this swindler.

My prediction is that in a couple of years we will hear nothing about this OM, because then he finally has found his two (2) fundamental flaws in his OMDP doclet.

 

[jsfisher]

jsfisher, stop your phony games, I know exactly that you understand any page of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf and how what is written in this article changes fundamentals of the mathematical science.

From now on, any misdealing information about OM will be immediately exposed.

As for your " And still we have no examples. " and other posts of that kind, you simply make yourself ridicules because since you perfectly understand http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf content, you also perfectly understand that examples are given almost in any page of it.

So, there will be no examples? Should we just tell everyone to go home, then? They've been waiting for real examples of OM at work. They'll be so disappointed.

No examples, folks. Sorry. No examples, no definitions, no meaning whatsoever, really, just this "direct perception" excuse for not having to justify anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along, please.

 

[The Man]

I realized they only corresponded to the Rational Numbers, but still found the illustration cute, so to speak.
There's a Lewis Carrol quality to it.
But it seems I'm not only suffering from an ignorance of the subtlies of accepted mathematics, but I really wasn't directly perceiving in the illustration what Doron meant it to give a direct perception of.

It now has something to do with "Complexity" and "Simplicity," and I don't know what Doron means by this new word combo yet.

Well, I get half way to understanding him, but before I can close the gap, there is another halfway to be traversed. Then another, then another ....

Ah yes the Zeno’s paradox of OM, if you try to understand it and move halfway to that goal, you will still always be halfway from that goal. You must abandon ridiculous ideas like “understanding” and simply accept. Thus you can be in agreement with any virus you find, well, agreeable. You must also abandon your direct perception of inconsistencies, contradictions, errors, lack of specificity, lack of meaning and lack of applicability you find in OM. Instead simply accept Doron’s “direct perception” that it is all OK and everything will be OK once everyone yields to simply his arbitrary imposition of what he calls perception (or more specifically what he substitutes in the lack of anything directly perceivable).

But I'm sure he'd say that's because I'm going "step by step." and am a "verbal thinker."

I think he does have a basic frame he hangs everything on. And I sort of see it. It's the fractal partitioning or whatever you want to call it, that's generally based on two stand alone, contrary principles.
Every question about the frame requires an answer that articulates a new interacting word pair and partitions spawned by it.
The deeper you go, the more it fractures.

But heck, I have a handle with no bicycle attached to it. lol

Well at least your bicycle handle has some actual uses, even without a bike.

 

[The Man]

So, there will be no examples? Should we just tell everyone to go home, then? They've been waiting for real examples of OM at work. They'll be so disappointed.

No examples, folks. Sorry. No examples, no definitions, no meaning whatsoever, really, just this "direct perception" excuse for not having to justify anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along, please.

But that is the key js, you are his example. Doron ‘directly perceives’ that you understand his OM yet are deliberately hiding that understanding, so he has taken his ‘gloves off’. We can only hope that it was those gloves he had on that were acctualy keeping him from typing anything of meaning on this thread (however my direct perception indicates that is highly doubtfull).

 

[The Man]

Don't waste your time with this swindler.

My prediction is that in a couple of years we will hear nothing about this OM, because then he finally has found his two (2) fundamental flaws in his OMDP doclet.

If only that were the case realpaladin, Doron has purportedly been working on his OM for 20 years, been posting and discussing on the web for 5 or 6 years, as zooterkin points out. He has only been on the JREF forum for about a year or so and this is precisely one of the functions of this forum to demonstrate how much time people like Doron have wasted are wasting and are willing to continue wasting on their universe shattering ideas that they got from a kindergarten class, the voice booming in their head, their dog named Sam, a grilled cheese sandwich or where ever with the one common factor being that the only significance, meaning and relevant facts of that idea is that it is simply theirs.

 

[doronshadmi]

So, there will be no examples? Should we just tell everyone to go home, then? They've been waiting for real examples of OM at work. They'll be so disappointed.

No examples, folks. Sorry. No examples, no definitions, no meaning whatsoever, really, just this "direct perception" excuse for not having to justify anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along, please.

Look at yourself and see OM at work.

 

[jsfisher]

Look at yourself and see OM at work.

All my examples show how it doesn't work. Got any that do?

 

[doronshadmi]

All my examples show how it doesn't work. Got any that do?

You are right, you realy don't work, it is about time to fix yourself.

Start from direct perception of yourself and form there move on and find your examples.

If you do that, your examples will start to work.

 

[jsfisher]

You are right, you realy don't work

Alas, only more examples of reading comprehension difficulties, but no examples of organic mathematics being in any way useful.

Doron, doesn't it give you just the least little bit of concern that you cannot produce one -- not even one -- modest example of organic mathematics having any utility in the real world whatsoever?

 

[sympathic]

Alas, only more examples of reading comprehension difficulties, but no examples of organic mathematics being in any way useful.

Doron, doesn't it give you just the least little bit of concern that you cannot produce one -- not even one -- modest example of organic mathematics having any utility in the real world whatsoever?

He actually thinks that by accepting OM, whatever that means (since I can not see how anything practical can be achieved from graphic permutations of integer partitions) the world will save itself from the possibility of nuclear destruction. Doron seems to be unwilling to accept that nuclear technology exists independently of OM, and may be used against us. He somehow thinks that accepting OM will make everyone on the planet peaceful and non-destructive. This is quite surprising coming from a poster how has demonstrated time and again a destructive approach towards other members of this forum. Maybe he himself does not fully get/practice OM...

 

[doronshadmi]

(since I can not see how anything practical can be achieved from graphic permutations of integer partitions)

No, it is )R(-Uncertainty x )R(-Redundancy tree.

This time don't be lazy and read all of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf .

Doron seems to be unwilling to accept that nuclear technology exists independently of OM,

No, destructive use of nuclear technology is a result of the luck of long term agreement between complex systems like us.

It can be changed if OM reasoning (which is the natural linkage between Complexity and Simplicity) is developed and becomes the reasoning of any scientific research.

 

[sympathic]

No, it is )R(-Uncertainty x )R(-Redundancy tree.

This time don't be lazy and read all of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf .


No, destructive use of nuclear technology is a result of the luck of long term agreement between complex systems like us.

It can be changed if OM reasoning (which is the natural linkage between Complexity and Simplicity) is developed and becomes the reasoning of any scientific research.

Whatever you say.

 

[sympathic]

No, it is )R(-Uncertainty x )R(-Redundancy tree.

This time don't be lazy and read all of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/OMDP.pdf .


No, destructive use of nuclear technology is a result of the luck of long term agreement between complex systems like us.

It can be changed if OM reasoning (which is the natural linkage between Complexity and Simplicity) is developed and becomes the reasoning of any scientific research.

So OM is essentially a spiritual brainwash isn't it?

 

[doronshadmi]

This is quite surprising coming from a poster how has demonstrated time and again a destructive approach towards other members of this forum.

Some times the chains of mind have to be broken, in order to let it be free.

The action of mind's chain breaking gives the illusion of violent attitude. But it is just an illusion because the real destructive and violent realm is a mind under chains.

Let us not mix between anarchic freedom (which is a Complicated\Trivial state of mind) and creative freedom (which is a Complex\Simple state of mind).

OM reasoning is the development of Complexity\Simplicity linkage, and during this development Paradigm-shifts take place, and Paradigm-shifts sometimes can be very destructive to people that continue to use the old paradigms.

It is like the bird of fire, known as the phoenix, that renews itself by reborn from its own ashes.

The history of our civilization has many paradigm-shifts along it, and the hardest one are the paradigm-shifts that takes place both in our abstract and non-abstract realm.

OM is such a paradigm-shift, and after the dust is settled down, you will see that what looked like destructive was actually development, and what looked like constructive was actually stagnation.

It must be stressed that any paradigm-shift is both new and old, but in order to be developed beyond the old-only, sometimes a destructive attitude is used in order to free the mind that refuses to let constructive development to air its view.

 

[doronshadmi]

So OM is essentially a spiritual brainwash isn't it?

Please tell me how the direct perception that no collection of 0-dim elements can fully cover a 1-dim element, is spiritual brainwash (in the bad sense)?

This direct perception is simple and has no room for any subjective manipulation that is based on verbal notions.

On the contrary, verbal notions are exactly the abstract environment where brainwash manipulations can be flourished.

 

[jsfisher]

So OM is essentially a spiritual brainwash isn't it?

Brainwashing implies someone else helped. Doron did this to himself.

Direct perception must be powerful stuff. Isn't it the thing that kept most of Europe convinced of a flat earth for so many centuries. Isn't it the thing that led the US to build concentration camps for its citizens of Japanese descendants during World War II.

Got any examples you'd like to add, Doron, of OM at work?

 

[doronshadmi]

Brainwashing implies someone else helped. Doron did this to himself.

Direct perception must be powerful stuff. Isn't it the thing that kept most of Europe convinced of a flat earth for so many centuries. Isn't it the thing that led the US to build concentration camps for its citizens of Japanese descendants during World War II.

Got any examples you'd like to add, Doron, of OM at work?

jsfisher, take baby steps.

Please start form here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4874441&postcount=4431 .

 

[realpaladin]

So OM is essentially a spiritual brainwash isn't it?

The TM University of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi used exactly the same words 'direct perception' and 'Organic Mathematics' in the '90's, and the Transcendental Meditation 'movement' is classified as a cult. So, yes.

It fell down on exactly the same two glaring mistakes Doron makes.