Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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amb said:
The N/T is silent on the matter of homosexuality, that means the law of Moses still stands. That would explain the fundamentalists horror at the practice.
Jeebus himself proclaimed; ''Don't think I have come to change the law and the prophets, I have come to strengthen them.'' Or words to that effect.
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Not one jot or tittle

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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realpaladin said:
They kind of did not know any better at the time.

And changing it would mean too much hassle.
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Not to mention what it may do to the more than 60% of the American population who still believes in god. :p
 
Lothian said:
You said Moses, who I understood to have a bit of intimate relationship with God, killed homosexuals.

Do you think homosexuals should be killed?

If you don’t can you point to where in the bible says Moses was wrong and is to be ignored.

I fail to understand why you won’t answer this question. Does being a Christian embarrass you?
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DOC,

You have Lothian selectively on ignore so I'll quote the relevant question for you.

Add me to the growing list who would like this answered.
 
RoboTimbo said:
DOC,

You have Lothian selectively on ignore so I'll quote the relevant question for you.

Add me to the growing list who would like this answered.
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I agree, DOC. I would love to see your answer to this.


but I am afraid I already know it.
The answer will be similar to his answer regarding slavery. That Jesus meant to say it, but was too afraid of upsetting the roman rulers(or jewish rulers) of the time. Or He'll likely claim that not killing gays is implied in the golden rule, but that doesn't mean jesus condoned homosexuality. For some reason, this part of the law will remain in tact.

Again, DOC will demonstrate how Jesus' morality is identical to DOC's morality, which may or may not be reflected in the bible.
 
amb said:
The N/T is silent on the matter of homosexuality, that means the law of Moses still stands. That would explain the fundamentalists horror at the practice.
Jeebus himself proclaimed; ''Don't think I have come to change the law and the prophets, I have come to strengthen them.'' Or words to that effect.
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Jesus is silent on the issue of homosexuality, but Paul had a bit to say about it (surprise, he was against it). As such, I wouldn't try to claim that the NT as a whole is silent.

(Minor nitpick, and it doesn't change your point.)
 
amb said:
The N/T is silent on the matter of homosexuality, that means the law of Moses still stands. That would explain the fundamentalists horror at the practice.
Jeebus himself proclaimed; ''Don't think I have come to change the law and the prophets, I have come to strengthen them.'' Or words to that effect.
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Jesus doesn't explicitly mentions pig or shellfish either, and yet people assume that it is now obsolete...

Anyway, didn't we discuss Jesus and homosexuality just a few pages ago?

In reality, a lot of commandments of the Bible have been abandoned, even by the most conservatives: prohibited food, wearing clothing made from two types of fibers, working on the Sabbah.
On the other hands, many things that were ok or even commanded by the authors of the Bible are now considered barbarous: killing your son for talking back; giving the victim in marriage to her rapist...

Even the most literalist reader of the Bible is actually making a lot of amendments.

The reason people are still considering homosexuality a sin then, is because the Bible constitute a nice excuse to for the prejudice and insecurities of the bigots.
 
Getting back to the topic. The only way the N/T could be regarded as true would be for jeezus himself to appear on national television and firstly prove who he is by say, suddenly curing every victim of cancer, new limbs suddenly growing back on the lame and limbless and other wonders like bringing back to life Charles Darwin and other long dead famous people. Then and only then will most people believe.
 
Why do people think that Xtians have to follow the Law of Moses? The letters of the NT and Acts (Council of Jerusalem around chapter 15, I think) have a lot to say on Jesus fulfilling the law so that non-Jews don't have to follow it. Xtians do not follow the 613 laws of the Hebrew Scriptures.

Or, do you all know this and are successfully enjoying tying DOC in knots, in which case, carry on.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Why do people think that Xtians have to follow the Law of Moses? The letters of the NT and Acts (Council of Jerusalem around chapter 15, I think) have a lot to say on Jesus fulfilling the law so that non-Jews don't have to follow it. Xtians do not follow the 613 laws of the Hebrew Scriptures.
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Certainly. But that's kind of the point. Some christians view Moses laws as unimportant, others say that they are still to be followed. Some say that christianity outlaws contraception, others disagree. And all of them have scriptural evidence supporting their cases.

Was this the real intent behind Jesus' message or is one of these groups the right group? Which group and how do you we know.

Mr Clingford said:
Or, do you all know this and are successfully enjoying tying DOC in knots, in which case, carry on.
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That goes without saying:D
 
If I may focus on this part:
joobz said:
Some christians view Moses laws as unimportant, others say that they are still to be followed.
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I am not aware of any Xtians who say that the Law must be followed by Xtians, as opposed to the idea that principles may be found in them that apply to modern humanity. Help me out - which Xtian groups assert this (Mennonites?).

My understanding is that Paul states that Xtians do not follow the Law but follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who doesn't appear to speak very clearly.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Paul, if this is meant for me, would you direct me to a particular part of the vid, as it is 17:40 long, or summarise the point you want to make.
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It is not all about YOU.

There, someone had to tell you this, better now than later.

Paul

:) :) :)

And sometimes you have to watch it all............................. geez
 
Paulhoff said:
It is not all about YOU.

There, someone had to tell you this, better now than later.

Paul

:) :) :)

And sometimes you have to watch it all............................. geez
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Errm, thanks, at least, for a reply.

Do you really expect someone to watch an 18 minute vid with no idea as to why or what it might contain?
 
Mr Clingford said:
Errm, thanks, at least, for a reply.

Do you really expect someone to watch an 18 minute vid with no idea as to why or what it might contain?
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By clicking on the video itself you get to the video on YouTube. There in the description box it tells you what it is about. Ain't that hard, really.

DOC:
Oh, and i'm also interested in your answer to Lothian's question to you. And also, like others here, i like to know how it comes that Christians defend their "biggest religion" argument by combining all flavors of Christianity into one big number, but on the other hand try to tell people that only one, namely their (whatever it is), flavor is the right one.

As for the fastest growing argument, i think that's simply not true. Note that the quote you haven given reads "... Christianity is both the world's largest and, in some regions, its fastest growing religion ..."

You deliberately omitted the "in some regions" from that quote in making your own argument. Taking into account that the growth only applies to some regions, how do these numbers of growth compare with the numbers of people leaving Christianity?

From what i know, Islam is currently the fastest growing one, and there are some 2.1 or 2.2 billion followers of Christianity, and some 1.9 billion followers of the Islam. And in not so many years, Islam will probably outnumber Christianity. At least to the informations that i have at hand.

As for the OT of this thread, i still have not seen any shred of real evidence that the NT writers told the truth. Quite the contrary, i might add.

Greetings,

Chris
 
Mr Clingford said:
Why do people think that Xtians have to follow the Law of Moses? The letters of the NT and Acts (Council of Jerusalem around chapter 15, I think) have a lot to say on Jesus fulfilling the law so that non-Jews don't have to follow it. Xtians do not follow the 613 laws of the Hebrew Scriptures.
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Well, other than the letter of James.

Carry on.
 
Now that I have finished watching "Cat Ballou" for the first time I watched the video posted by Paul.

Are you sure you meant to post it? I mean, it didn't say that Xtianity is all total tosh! He he. In fact, far from it.

Jacobs seems a bit like the Brit Dave Gorman.
 
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