Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[DOC]

"officially atheist Communist Party" - heh

Someone might want to remind DOC that the main US political parties are "officially" atheist as well.

Then why did Congress make the official national motto of the US "In God We Trust". Look on your one dollar bill.

ETA: It could be changed if they wanted to change it.

 

[realpaladin]

Then why did Congress make the official national motto of the US "In God We Trust". Look on your one dollar bill.

ETA: It could be changed if they wanted to change it.

They kind of did not know any better at the time.

And changing it would mean too much hassle.

 

[zooterkin]

I'm just responding to a point brought up by someone else.

No, you brought up the number of Christians first.

 

[bobrayner]

They kind of did not know any better at the time.

And changing it would mean too much hassle.

Hassle with some voters who still take "god" very seriously. Meanwhile, the other voters who don't take "god" seriously tend not to hold such a strong opinion on the phrase. It's pretty easy to predict which group a politician will side with - it even happens when the "meh" people are a very large majority.

 

[Simon39759]

Then why did Congress make the official national motto of the US "In God We Trust". Look on your one dollar bill.

ETA: It could be changed if they wanted to change it.

It was only added in 1957 though, at quite a lovely time in American history.


But, we are drifting a bit away from the evidence of the New testament being the truth.

Or even from the ultra-tiny minority of Christian explaining the rise of China's power.
Or how, somehow, it does not apply to Rome. Rome where Christianity started to grow in the 4th century and becoming the main Religion in the 5th century. Rome which, after centuries of existence and the domination of the world started to collapse in the late 4th century, you know, roughly the time when Christians took over.

 

[joobz]

ETA: Yes, one could argue that the anti-Christian traits of greed and corruption has certainly added fuel to America's current financial situation.

greed and corruption are anti-christian traits? That's an interesting phrasing. I'd say they are anti-society traits. Afterall, we have countless examples of christian corruption and greed.

One of the best current examples is religious corruption in our governent.
Check out The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlet
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799


You see, in America (which is a secular nation built upon religious freedom tenets) the encroachment of religion upon our government IS a CORRUPTING influence.

 

[Lothian]

Doc,

You picked up on reference in my post to the decline of Christianity but ignored the main point which was to ask you a question for the third time.

Fourth time lucky.

You said Moses, who I understood to have a bit of intimate relationship with God, killed homosexuals.

Do you think homosexuals should be killed?

If you don’t can you point to where in the bible says Moses was wrong and is to be ignored.

I fail to understand why you won’t answer this question. Does being a Christian embarrass you?

 

[Mojo]

I'm just responding to a point brought up by someone else.

No, you brought up the number of Christians first.

Uh-oh. He could be in trouble.

 

[kmortis]

"officially atheist Communist Party" - heh

Someone might want to remind DOC that the main US political parties are "officially" atheist as well.

Um, technically agnostic. The US Constitution make no claims either way. If it were an atheistic document, it would have to declare something along the lines of:

Being that there is no divine being, the congress shall make no law restricting religion, nor the free exercise thereof.

But this is all a nitpick. Don't hurt me...

 

[Safe-Keeper]

It was only added in 1957 though, at quite a lovely time in American history.

That, and given how much the Biblical God is opposed to democratic values, I think the US would be better off with a god or goddess actually representing democracy and freedom. Feronia, Roman goddess of freedom, would be one good candidate.

Instead you have Yahweh, who imposes capital punishment by bear mauling upon a bunch of children for poking fun at one of his propagandists (Kings 2, 23-25). Americans turning to this dictator for democracy is as absurd as homosexuals seeking gay right counsel from Fred Phelps.

 

[six7s]

Um, technically agnostic. The US Constitution make no claims either way.

That makes it atheistic - i.e without reference deference to any theism

 

[paximperium]

sec⋅u⋅lar

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–adjective
1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred; temporal: secular interests.
2. not pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to sacred ): secular music.
3. (of education, a school, etc.) concerned with nonreligious subjects.
4. (of members of the clergy) not belonging to a religious order; not bound by monastic vows (opposed to regular ).
5. occurring or celebrated once in an age or century: the secular games of Rome.
6. going on from age to age; continuing through long ages.
http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=secular&search=search

 

[Paulhoff]

Actually the numbers of Christians are increasing worldwide.

So, most of you christians don't think the other groups are the right ones anyway "UNTIL YOU COUNT THEM" like now.

Paul



and lots that say they are, aren't, closet athiest.

 

[Fitter]

Doc,

You picked up on reference in my post to the decline of Christianity but ignored the main point which was to ask you a question for the third time.

Fourth time lucky.

You said Moses, who I understood to have a bit of intimate relationship with God, killed homosexuals.

Do you think homosexuals should be killed?

If you don’t can you point to where in the bible says Moses was wrong and is to be ignored.

I fail to understand why you won’t answer this question. Does being a Christian embarrass you?

Just wanted to make sure you didn't miss this question DOC, there are at least 2 posters to this thread who would really like an answer to it.

 

[arthwollipot]

Doc,

You picked up on reference in my post to the decline of Christianity but ignored the main point which was to ask you a question for the third time.

Fourth time lucky.

You said Moses, who I understood to have a bit of intimate relationship with God, killed homosexuals.

Do you think homosexuals should be killed?

If you don’t can you point to where in the bible says Moses was wrong and is to be ignored.

I fail to understand why you won’t answer this question. Does being a Christian embarrass you?

Make that three.

 

[wollery]

Four.

 

[realpaladin]

Five

 

[six7s]

42

 

[realpaladin]

42

I finally have the proof for aliens... you are a Golgafrincham, aren't you?

 

[amb]

Given that people are leaving Christianity in droves it is not likely. Perhaps you could help stop the decrease in numbers by answering my question that you have ignored twice so far.

You claimed that Moses had homosexuals killed. Do you believe that homosexuals should be murdered or was Moses getting the wrong message from God?

Perhaps a simple quote from the New Testament referring to the old Testament Laws would clear all this up and help us to decide what true Christians should do.

The N/T is silent on the matter of homosexuality, that means the law of Moses still stands. That would explain the fundamentalists horror at the practice.
Jeebus himself proclaimed; ''Don't think I have come to change the law and the prophets, I have come to strengthen them.'' Or words to that effect.