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hamelekim said:
God's judgement isn't genocide. YOUR view is not based on the Bible, it is based on your own corrupted human reasoning which thinks poor me rather than realizing you deserve death.
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When God kills whole families it's a good thing.
 
elbe said:
So... the most evil forces imaginable. They are, what? Democrats? Muslims? Socialists? I can't think of anyone else who's "taking over".
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Democrats, Muslims, and Socialists would be a welcome relief, compared to who is taking over. All these groups actually want a membership. It is not in their interest to kill their constituents.
People I worry about are sociopaths who delight in genocide. It would be too nice of a term to call them Nazi's. They at least believed in one good race. No, the people I am worried about just think they, personally, deserve to live, and no one else.
Of course they can not do it on their own, so they use various factions to work against each other. They (the deceived) might think they are really doing something good. Read Revelation on the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

You would think, seeing this as your commander, leading you off to war, that you were going for some great and righteous cause. In reality, you are depopulating the Earth. The one giving the first horseman his crown could not care less what the supposed "cause" is. He is only interested in the results, which is desolation.
 
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Ethnikos said:
Democrats, Muslims, and Socialists would be a welcome relief, compared to who is taking over. All these groups actually want a membership. It is not in their interest to kill their constituents.
People I worry about are sociopaths who delight in genocide. It would be too nice of a term to call them Nazi's. They at least believed in one good race. No, the people I am worried about just think they, personally, deserve to live, and no one else.
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So, god? Off the top of my head that's the only entity I know of that delights in the complete destruction of peoples on that grand of scale. If it's not god, then you're going to have to be more specific. Is it the scientologists?

Of course they can not do it on their own, so they use various factions to work against each other. They might think they are really doing something good. Read Revelation on the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
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I've read revelations, it's a drug trip. But everything it describes has already happened, long, long ago. It wanted to say the end times were near/here, but that was over a thousand years ago, and the world hasn't ended yet.

Or, better yet, read Good Omens.
 
slingblade said:
Oh, not everyone. I'm looking forward to the day when life is over. And I do mean over, completely, no more, all gone. Life has been awful for me, and I do not want any more. I certainly don't want any part of any "eternity."
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I could see how you would be reluctant to get "locked-in" to an eternity of anything, if what you know is a good indication of what you might be getting.
 
Ethnikos said:
I could see how you would be reluctant to get "locked-in" to an eternity of anything, if what you know is a good indication of what you might be getting.
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I'm going to have to agree with slingblade here, I would hate, hate, to have an eternity of anything. Heaven, hell, disney world, it doesn't matter. I don't want to exist forever.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim
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wouldn't an undercover muslim pretend to be a christian and then try to put other people off christianity by making statements that show you'd have to be delusional to believe in Jesus, wouldn't they also try to smear the names of any government leader that isn't Islamic
I don't see Obama doing that, you though Kathy are another case entirely

do you pray to Allah three times a day with the rest of your undercover cell ?

I could easily believe it
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elbe said:
I'm going to have to agree with slingblade here, I would hate, hate, to have an eternity of anything. Heaven, hell, disney world, it doesn't matter. I don't want to exist forever.
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George Hrab sang it best:



(Sorry, not the best audio.)

Heaven must be really boring,
if you you think about it logically.
All the angels must be snoring.
Who could stand perfection for all eternity?
Not me.
 
TimCallahan said:
Ethnikos said:
. All right, since youve labeled the news "propaganda," do you have any actual evidence to offer to support this racsh of specific accusations? If so, what is it?
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Here is part of a story current on Google news:
Obama is set to arrive in Moscow on Monday with his wife Michelle, for a visit which includes talks with Medvedev and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and an onward trip to the Group of Eight summit in Italy and Ghana.
The US president announced on the eve of the G20 summit in London on April 1 that he would visit Russia in July, in line with his administration's bid to "reset" US ties with Moscow.
Relations between the two former Cold War foes deteriorated after a warm start under the presidency of George W. Bush amid disputes over the proposed US missile defense shield and the Russia-Georgia war last year.{end of article}
Some smart analysts think the talks will go badly, since these problems have only gotten worse. This meeting might serve as a good cover, by saying, "I tried to work things out.", for starting hostilities back up. The problem is that the amount and lethality of the weaponry has escalated.
Fair enough with regards to the military-industrial complex. However, don't expect our problems to "just go away." That's rather naive of you.
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Not really. Just getting rid of "state secrecy" would uncover enough stuff we could use.
I will demand a retraction from you. It will be interesting to see what sort of rationalization I get in its place.
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I think I can commit to that. What would you accept as a reasonable substitute for "nukes"? How about the tunnel being put out of commission for a year? That's the objective, and they are prepared to use nukes, if necessary.
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elbe said:
So, god? Off the top of my head that's the only entity I know of that delights in the complete destruction of peoples on that grand of scale. If it's not god, then you're going to have to be more specific. Is it the scientologists?
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It is Satan unrestrained. Up until now, he has been restrained. Satan has to be let loose in order to complete his wicked work and to show how he really is. That is the way that there will be indisputable proof that he deserves to be destroyed. Unfortunately a lot of people will be affected in a negative sort of way.
Satan wants to be God and he wants to imitate Him and to the extent he is able, to bring about a counterfeit creation. To do that, he kills off the good people and brings about a new race to populate the Earth, with people who take his image and swear allegiance to him.
 
hamelekim said:
God's judgement isn't genocide. YOUR view is not based on the Bible, it is based on your own corrupted human reasoning which thinks poor me rather than realizing you deserve death.
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Maybe your god wont eff up so bad with his next creation, eh?
 
Ethnikos said:
It is Satan unrestrained. Up until now, he has been restrained. Satan has to be let loose in order to complete his wicked work and to show how he really is. That is the way that there will be indisputable proof that he deserves to be destroyed. Unfortunately a lot of people will be affected in a negative sort of way.
Satan wants to be God and he wants to imitate Him and to the extent he is able, to bring about a counterfeit creation. To do that, he kills off the good people and brings about a new race to populate the Earth, with people who take his image and swear allegiance to him.
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Assuming that Satan is real and completely evil, the fact that god does nothing, being omnipotent and all, shows that he is the truly evil one. When evil is your nature, that's one thing, when you choose to allow evil even though it is completely within your power to stop it, that shows that you are truly, truly the evil one. And don't give me that free will bologna, the bible doesn't say god gave satan free will, just the humans.
 
Ethnikos said:
I do want to have another, better life after this one, just like I have to imagine everyone wants.
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Please don't project your weird imaginings on others. Not everyone wants what you want.
 
Sun Countess said:
Please don't project your weird imaginings on others. Not everyone wants what you want.
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Sorry. I had no idea. I will try to avoid saying that again. I just figured that anyone who was not a big fan of life would not be around to post on forums.
I have known a few people who seriously tried to kill themselves but it was more about people being ridiculously cruel to them. It seemed like if they were in a good situation, they were happy enough to go on living. But that might be because the people who were more successful at suicide were not around for me to meet.
 
elbe said:
Assuming that Satan is real and completely evil, the fact that god does nothing, being omnipotent and all, shows that he is the truly evil one. When evil is your nature, that's one thing, when you choose to allow evil even though it is completely within your power to stop it, that shows that you are truly, truly the evil one. And don't give me that free will bologna, the bible doesn't say god gave satan free will, just the humans.
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What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer and everyone there thought he was just the greatest thing ever? If you found out he had been killed by God, you might think God was really evil. The next time God shows up to tour your galaxy, people would boycott the reception as a protest against what seemed like an unjust act. Things would deteriorate from there.
If there was a war that you could blame directly on Lucifer, that blows up the whole world, the other galaxy might still be OK with God. You could still, from the viewpoint of being one getting blown up, feel that your life is worth more than a PR stunt. But you have to think of it more like you are saving the other galaxy from going down the same road we did.
 
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Ethnikos said:
What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer and everyone there thought he was just the greatest thing ever? If you found out he had been killed by God, you might think God was really evil. The next time God shows up to tour your galaxy, people would boycott the reception as a protest against what seemed like an unjust act. Things would deteriorate from there.
If there was a war that you could blame directly on Lucifer, that blows up the whole world, the other galaxy might still be OK with God. You could still, from the viewpoint of being one getting blown up, feel that your life is worth more than a PR stunt. But you have to think of it more like you are saving the other galaxy from going down the same road we did.
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I'm sorry, your attempt to justify your god's pathetic failure and apathetic evil is rather lame. So your god is apparently too weak and pathetic to do anything without killing or is too idiotic to deal with his mistake running wild.
 
hamelekim said:
The only monsters around are human beings themselves.
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Yes, some truly are. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

hamelekim said:
To think that you can just get away with your sin and God is supposed to allow it? Are you truly that blind?
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You know, having been a deluded Chosen myself in the past, I used to view non-christians as immoral, sinning everywhere. Now that I have removed those shackles, I am still essentially the same person. I haven't gone out to murder anyone, I am still married, I haven't succumbed to homo-sinuality and I don't abuse my family or others.

Why do the Chosen insist people don't believe because they want to sin?

hamelekim said:
That's alright, you keep on believing he is a monster. You will pay the price for your ignorance.
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Wow. I guess I've been told. BTW - I don't believe god is a monster, I know he is. Look at what his Chosen are wishing on other christians and non believers. Ah, Divine Love - believe it, and you TOO can wish fire and brimstone on anyone you want.

Don't get offended, hamelekim, but it's still disgusting.

Monster
 
Ethnikos said:
What if Satan was somebody known in other Galaxies as Lucifer and everyone there thought he was just the greatest thing ever? If you found out he had been killed by God, you might think God was really evil. The next time God shows up to tour your galaxy, people would boycott the reception as a protest against what seemed like an unjust act. Things would deteriorate from there.
If there was a war that you could blame directly on Lucifer, that blows up the whole world, the other galaxy might still be OK with God. You could still, from the viewpoint of being one getting blown up, feel that your life is worth more than a PR stunt. But you have to think of it more like you are saving the other galaxy from going down the same road we did.
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So God is like a mob boss who kills a family member as a "warning" to others. How benevolent of him.
 
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