Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Simon39759 said:
And maybe, in a few hundred years, the name of Jesus will evoke nothing more than a quaint swear-word from the general public.
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ok then, while were on the subject of "maybes"
the fastest growing religion is Jedi with some 1 million believers worldwide as of the 2001 census. thats not bad going seeing as it didn't exist 25 years earlier

the fastest growing language is Klingon

In 1970 there were 250 professional Elvis impersonators. Today there are estimated to be 35,000. If this trend continues at the same rate there will be 700 million Elvis impersonators by 2060

so in a few hundred years not only will Jesus evoke nothing more than a quaint swear word, but that swear word will be "p'tahk", and it will be spoken by a Jedi knight wearing a white jumpsuit with rhinestones whos on his way to a concert
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Lothian said:
I have never understood DOC’s obsession with the beliefs of some* ex-presidents as if becoming president made to all knowing. I suppose we should be grateful that DOC is progressing and no longer holding Slave owners up as moral examples.

*For some reason I can’t fathom believers GW Bush and Richard Nixon are rarely if ever put forward by DOC.
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Because he thinks we're all liberal hippies who automatically revile W and Nixon.
 
Simon39759 said:
If believe he is correct, Christianity is still the first religion in the world, albeit Islam is catching up real fast.
In fact, a number of religious denomination are growing faster than Christianity, including: none/atheist/agnostics.
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The funny thing is, it is only the largest religion when you add up all the various denominations, especially the various flavors of Catholicism.

This is something which DOC only does when it suits his purpose. Any other time, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witlesses and the like are Not True ChristiansTM.

It is amusing how he thinks he can have it both ways.

Which has, of course, nothing to do with the validity of the belief (or absence of belief) in question. Let alone the evidential proof of the new testament writers telling the objective truth (rather than what they believed was the truth.
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Yep.
 
Fireshadow said:
Because he thinks we're all liberal hippies who automatically revile W and Nixon.
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To be fair, I am a liberal, I have a fondness for hippies (even if the woos is annoying) and I do revile W. and Nixon (and Reagan).
But my reviling has little to do with these people religion and more about their politics.
 
Simon39759 said:
To be fair, I am a liberal, I have a fondness for hippies (even if the woos is annoying) and I do revile W. and Nixon (and Reagan).
But my reviling has little to do with these people religion and more about their politics.
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Well, yes, and that's why he doesn't use W or Nixon--because if we're liberal hippies who dislike them for their politics, we will obviously not be influenced by their religion. Of course, he discounts that there are some of us who are conservative, who might have been supporters of Nixon or W (not that I am one of them), or who don't think that Obama and Carter leave trails of wildflowers everywhere they walk and shoot rainbows out of their eyes. Just because we support some policies of theirs, he assumes that we must automatically agree with everything else that they say.
 
Fireshadow said:
Well, yes, and that's why he doesn't use W or Nixon--because if we're liberal hippies who dislike them for their politics, we will obviously not be influenced by their religion. Of course, he discounts that there are some of us who are conservative, who might have been supporters of Nixon or W (not that I am one of them), or who don't think that Obama and Carter leave trails of wildflowers everywhere they walk and shoot rainbows out of their eyes. Just because we support some policies of theirs, he assumes that we must automatically agree with everything else that they say.
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When you view the world in black and white, you assume everyone else does too.
 
Fireshadow said:
Well, yes, and that's why he doesn't use W or Nixon--because if we're liberal hippies who dislike them for their politics, we will obviously not be influenced by their religion. Of course, he discounts that there are some of us who are conservative, who might have been supporters of Nixon or W (not that I am one of them), or who don't think that Obama and Carter leave trails of wildflowers everywhere they walk and shoot rainbows out of their eyes. Just because we support some policies of theirs, he assumes that we must automatically agree with everything else that they say.
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What was W's post count?
 
Fireshadow said:
or who don't think that Obama and Carter leave trails of wildflowers everywhere they walk and shoot rainbows out of their eyes.
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Does the ray makes people gay? Or at least turns you into a gay-marriage supporter? 'cause that'd actually explain quite a lot... :p


Yeah, you guys are probably right in your reading of the psychology behind the argument.
 
DOC said:
The history of man is not over yet. The list has changed over the years. It is not static.

Christianity is the largest religion in the world. And the author of that book stated that if more people actually incorporated the teachings of Jesus in their everyday life Jesus would have been # 1. That could change though.
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Ok.. Now, of the Christian Religions, which one is the correct one? Since many of them seem to be at odds with each other..
 
Simon39759 said:
Does the ray makes people gay? Or at least turns you into a gay-marriage supporter? 'cause that'd actually explain quite a lot... :p
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Would that be a Gay Ray or Ray Gay?
I wonder if Fae Ray Liked Reggae.
Or if Gay Rays liked Fae Ray in her Heyday.
 
Hokulele said:
The funny thing is, it is only the largest religion when you add up all the various denominations, especially the various flavors of Catholicism.

This is something which DOC only does when it suits his purpose. Any other time, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witlesses and the like are Not True ChristiansTM.

It is amusing how he thinks he can have it both ways.
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Yes, that was part of my point, I think we've been around that one once or twice before. The other part was to encourage him to produce evidence to back up his assertions; I was hoping he might at least think about what he was basing his assertion on (and since I couldn't remember the details, perhaps he could have been right). Maybe if he checks just one fact, he might get the idea...


No, sorry, I was dreaming again.
 
Lothian said:
Given that people are leaving Christianity in droves it is not likely
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Actually the numbers of Christians are increasing worldwide.

From the article "Faith and Conflict: The Global Rise of Christianity" (Council of Foreign Relations)

"With more than two billion adherents worldwide, Christianity is both the world's largest and, in some regions, its fastest growing religion, with most of that growth taking place in the developing world"

http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=71


Also this article says Christianity is sweeping China:

Jesus in China: Christianity's rapid rise (The Tribune's Evan Osnos reports from Beijing and the countryside.)

"Christianity — repressed, marginalized and, in many cases, illegal in China for more than half a century — is sweeping the country, overflowing churches and posing a sensitive challenge to the officially atheist Communist Party."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-jesus-1-1-webjun22,0,2458211.story

Also it is interesting to note that the rise of China's economy and prestige is running parallel to the rise of Christianity in China whereas as the US's decline in prosperity and prestige is running parallel to it's declining religiousness.

ETA: Yes, one could argue that the anti-Christian traits of greed and corruption has certainly added fuel to America's current financial situation.
 
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DOC said:
Actually the numbers of Christians are increasing worldwide.

Also this article says Christianity is sweeping China:
Jesus in China: Christianity's rapid rise (The Tribune's Evan Osnos reports from Beijing and the countryside.)
"Christianity — repressed, marginalized and, in many cases, illegal in China for more than half a century — is sweeping the country, overflowing churches and posing a sensitive challenge to the officially atheist Communist Party."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-jesus-1-1-webjun22,0,2458211.story
Also it is interesting to note that the rise of China's economy and prestige is running parallel to the rise of Christianity in China whereas as the US's decline in prosperity and prestige is running parallel to it's declining religiousness.
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Yeah... that's ********.
China has considerably relaxed its anti-Religious stance since the 70ies and even more in the 80ies. In the mid-90ies the state even sponsored massively in the re-building of Buddhist and Taoist temples.

There are a few Religion that are clearly oppressed in China, Falung Gong being the obvious example, but to claim that Christianity is among them is ********.

Even then, the Christianity sweeping China is not representing more than 3 or 4% of the population. Atheist, to give you an idea, apparently, represent around 60% of the population there (reference).


Also, it is just as interesting to note how the rise of Russia's economy and prestige [and power] in the first half of the 20th century ran parallel to a decrease in Christianity.
And I would be interested to know how, exactly, America is less of a Christian Nation now that it was in the 60ies or 70ies?
 
DOC said:
The history of man is not over yet. The list has changed over the years. It is not static.
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Unlike your beliefs masquerading as knowledge :boggled:

DOC said:
Christianity is the largest religion in the world. And the author of that book stated that if more people actually incorporated the teachings of Jesus in their everyday life Jesus would have been # 1.
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Ahhh... the old 'argument from popularity' logical fallacy... Have you nothing to add to this thread other than irrelevancies?

DOC said:
That could change though.
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Fingers crossed, huh?
 
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