UFO'S: A possible explanation

[realpaladin]

Who made the Hopi and how?

Well...

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(I usually do this with Papua's for my Goddaughter... it cracks her up)

As for the how... well, when a Hopipapa and a Hopimama like each other very much...

 

[Marduk]

First of all, before you "pubically pwn" me again, would you tell me what that means?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn
Secondly, you never 'proved' what God/god(s), is/was, or what they aren't...
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That was not the question, you claimed that a glowing cloud in a renaissance painting was a ufo. that implied that it was unidentified. Everyone else knows that the picture of the glowing cloud was the way that god was represented in renaissance paintings, the scripture I posted was pretty clear, you did read the long list of instances where the bible describes god appearing as a glowing cloud right, you did check out the biography of the artist who painted the image didn't you, you know he was devout right ?

I mean, you can only push an inference so far without supporting evidence and you never had any. thats because there wasn't any

Who made the Hopi and how?

don't you know ?
why don't you go find out

Did their ancestors just pop out of the ground one day, or do they have a heavenly agent creation story?

they don't even have a heaven. clearly you are lacking in your understanding of native american mythology, so bearing what you said in your last post about that being the perfect position to review it can you tell me why the Hopi world view is unique amongst native tribes , surely you can answer that, you said you could

 

[King of the Americas]

I don't suppose you might be offended by evolutionism at all?

Offended? Not in the least.

That said, I don't think it is or rather I don't think it has been the only factor in our arrival at our present form.

 

[Marduk]

Offended? Not in the least.

That said, I don't think it is or rather I don't think it has been the only factor in our arrival at our present form.

are you suggesting that Aliens are in any way responsible for our present evolutionary position ?

do you have any evidence

 

[King of the Americas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn
Secondly, you never 'proved' what God/god(s), is/was, or what they aren't...

That was not the question, you claimed that a glowing cloud in a renaissance painting was a ufo. that implied that it was unidentified. Everyone else knows that the picture of the glowing cloud was the way that god was represented in renaissance paintings, the scripture I posted was pretty clear, you did read the long list of instances where the bible describes god appearing as a glowing cloud right, you did check out the biography of the artist who painted the image didn't you, you know he was devout right ?

I mean, you can only push an inference so far without supporting evidence and you never had any. thats because there wasn't any



don't you know ?
why don't you go find out

they don't even have a heaven. clearly you are lacking in your understanding of native american mythology, so bearing what you said in your last post about that being the perfect position to review it can you tell me why the Hopi world view is unique amongst native tribes , surely you can answer that, you said you could
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Firstly, you are mis-interpreting my stance. I hold that "God/god(s)", are by their very definition "UFO's". The paintings however aren't of UFO's persay, but because God can't be 'identified/quantified' then that is what we get.

Second, YOU claimed to be the Hopi expert. If you don't know enough about them to answer my questions just say so, and I'll begin my own research.

 

[realpaladin]

KotA, you just did not do it... you just did not want to see that your senses can and will delude you in a lot of cases where you would think they were true to you.

Do the tests and tell me again about that 'seeing is believing'.

 

[King of the Americas]

are you suggesting that Aliens are in any way responsible for our present evolutionary position ?

do you have any evidence

I don't know.

In the case of our evolution, I have some questions:

Why would we de-evolve our fur coats, only to kill other animals and wear theirs?

What was so super-sexy about the lone cave dude w/o the hairsuit shivering in the back corner of the cave?

I believe we've already covered the sons of god and their exploits with the daughters of men...haven't we?

 

[realpaladin]

I don't know.

In the case of our evolution, I have some questions:

Why would we de-evolve our fur coats, only to kill other animals and wear theirs?

What was so super-sexy about the lone cave dude w/o the hairsuit shivering in the back corner of the cave?

I believe we've already covered the sons of god and their exploits with the daughters of men...haven't we?

They started out from Africa... not too barren and cold there...

Ow, and before you forget or ignore... there are still some tests waiting for you.

The truth? You can't handle the truth.

 

[Marduk]

Firstly, you are mis-interpreting my stance. I hold that "God/god(s)", are by their very definition "UFO's". The paintings however aren't of UFO's persay, but because God can't be 'identified/quantified' then that is what we get.

You are the one claiming to be an expert in ancient texts are you not, how come then you can't make a connection between YHWH appearing as a glowing cloud and a glowing cloud painted by someone working from those texts. It has nothing to do with ufo's, its not identified, its God. To claim that this God needs a metallic craft to get about in when he can appear in any form he likes and is omnipotent and omnicogniscent is a bit dumb

Second, YOU claimed to be the Hopi expert. If you don't know enough about them to answer my questions just say so, and I'll begin my own research.

we are working under your delusion that you know all about Hopi mythology because you have studied ufo.s, if you can't prove your assertion when called on it then don't make it, Besides, I know the only reason you are saying that is because the HCPO is the only centre for Hopi mythology and theres bugger all on the net about it thats credible, so yes, why don't you write an e mail to Stewart B Koyiyumptewa at the HCPO and ask him your questions about aliens, i'm sure he'll write back

 

[King of the Americas]

KotA, you just did not do it... you just did not want to see that your senses can and will delude you in a lot of cases where you would think they were true to you.

Do the tests and tell me again about that 'seeing is believing'.

I tried the one with the head that was supposed to go missing, and I couldn't get it to work. And I don't get how the green and blue AREN'T 'different' colors... Maybe 'I' can see differences that MS Paint can't.

That said, I am fully ready to concede that seeing isn't 'always' something to believe in.

Sun dogs are a good example.

But the example being offered here is- you walk into a clearing, see a shinny saucer, with several grays walking around, who enter said vehicle and zoom off.

"I imagined it ALL.", just isn't the first conclusion I'd reach...

 

[realpaladin]

I tried the one with the head that was supposed to go missing, and I couldn't get it to work. And I don't get how the green and blue AREN'T 'different' colors... Maybe 'I' can see differences that MS Paint can't.

About the first one... deal. But there is also the one where your mind misses the monkey or the newer one.

But there ya go... there is no blue at all in there. Take photoshop, remove the reds... and what do you have? Someone that says 'I see a blue and MS Paint can't.
But the thing is... there is no blue they both are the exact same green.

That said, I am fully ready to concede that seeing isn't 'always' something to believe in.

Sun dogs are a good example.

But the example being offered here is- you walk into a clearing, see a shinny saucer, with several grays walking around, who enter said vehicle and zoom off.

"I imagined it ALL.", just isn't the first conclusion I'd reach...

Of course not, just as your first conclusion is 'I can see colors that MS Paint can't'.

Does not mean that either is correct...

 

[Marduk]

I don't know.

In the case of our evolution, I have some questions:

Why would we de-evolve our fur coats, only to kill other animals and wear theirs?

you are making the mistake of thinking that evolution is logical, it isn't

What was so super-sexy about the lone cave dude w/o the hairsuit shivering in the back corner of the cave?

he was different, go ask a woman why they find that interesting

I believe we've already covered the sons of god and their exploits with the daughters of men...haven't we?

no, thats just derived from biblical belief and its wrong, the bible doesn't say that at any point. the Nephilim were not angels, were not described as Angels and did not do anything angelic, the idea that they were is well after the fact, I suggest you go read the source rather than authors like Andrew Collins who quite frankly is a liar whos only in it for the money

 

[King of the Americas]

You are the one claiming to be an expert in ancient texts are you not, how come then you can't make a connection between YHWH appearing as a glowing cloud and a glowing cloud painted by someone working from those texts. It has nothing to do with ufo's, its not identified, its God. To claim that this God needs a metallic craft to get about in when he can appear in any form he likes and is omnipotent and omnicogniscent is a bit dumb

"God" can't be identified.

THAT is my whole case.

To claim that something can be 'everywhere' and do 'anything' is a bit "dumb" if you ask me...

'I' never claimed superior knowledge about anything, that was you. Now are you gonna tell me about Hopi creation, or not?
'

 

[Marduk]

"God" can't be identified.

THAT is my whole case.

To claim that something can be 'everywhere' and do 'anything' is a bit "dumb" if you ask me...

Yup I agree, but the vast majority of earths population wouldn't, of the ones who would agree none of them would say God is a ufo, though knowing his character from Genesis it wouldn't surprise me if he started appearing to you as one, just to mess with your head

'I' never claimed superior knowledge about anything, that was you. Now are you gonna tell me about Hopi creation, or not?
'

I have not seen you ask a specific question about the Hopi "emergence". Am I expected to guess what it is specifically you want to know. Ok I'll give it a go,
no, there is no supporting evidence that the Hopi identify any of their gods as ufos, all their gods are anthropomorphic deities. they have a tradition of making dolls (called katchinas) to represent their Gods. they believe that the spirit of the god can then inhabit the doll and bring them good fortune. They are very competitive therefore about the quality of the dolls. none of the dolls resmbles a flying saucer, the closest mythological aspect that resembles that is thunderbird
this is a thunderbird bowl, its the closest I could find to a saucer

thunderbird mythology is common to all native American tribes
how did I do ?

 

[Marduk]

I tried the one with the head that was supposed to go missing, and I couldn't get it to work. And I don't get how the green and blue AREN'T 'different' colors... Maybe 'I' can see differences that MS Paint can't.

That said, I am fully ready to concede that seeing isn't 'always' something to believe in.

Sun dogs are a good example.

But the example being offered here is- you walk into a clearing, see a shinny saucer, with several grays walking around, who enter said vehicle and zoom off.

"I imagined it ALL.", just isn't the first conclusion I'd reach...

ok, but until you actually do walk into a clearing see a "shinny" saucer, with several grays walking around, who enter said vehicle and zoom off. then its a bit pointless discussing it, has anyone ever actually seen that anyway, seems more like a movie plot to me?
if it does happen check in the woods to see if you can find craft services before you do anything else

 

[King of the Americas]

Yup I agree, but the vast majority of earths population wouldn't, of the ones who would agree none of them would say God is a ufo, though knowing his character from Genesis it wouldn't surprise me if he started appearing to you as one, just to mess with your head

I have not seen you ask a specific question about the Hopi "emergence". Am I expected to guess what it is specifically you want to know. Ok I'll give it a go,
no, there is no supporting evidence that the Hopi identify any of their gods as ufos, all their gods are anthropomorphic deities. they have a tradition of making dolls (called katchinas) to represent their Gods. they believe that the spirit of the god can then inhabit the doll and bring them good fortune. They are very competitive therefore about the quality of the dolls. none of the dolls resmbles a flying saucer, the closest mythological aspect that resembles that is thunderbird
this is a thunderbird bowl, its the closest I could find to a saucer

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thunderbird mythology is common to all native American tribes
how did I do ?

NO ONE 'knows' what "God" is...

I Did NOT ask you about Hopi's and their relationship with ufo's.

I asked you to tell me what you know about their creation story.

 

[realpaladin]

NO ONE 'knows' what "God" is...

I Did NOT ask you about Hopi's and their relationship with ufo's.

I asked you to tell me what you know about their creation story.

True, he did say that...

Now... how about them colours? Ready to concede yet?

 

[Marduk]

NO ONE 'knows' what "God" is...

I Did NOT ask you about Hopi's and their relationship with ufo's.

I asked you to tell me what you know about their creation story.

well thats not a question is it, its an invitation to a lecture. I know everything about their "emergence" story. I even know you don't call it a creation story. How stunning is my knowledge

but youre asking too general a quesion, Taiowa instructed Sotuknang to create humanity which he did with the help of Kokyangwuti, what specifically is the question you want answered because obviously if you haven't studied Hopi then nothing I can say is going to have much meaning to someone who thinks they know all about it because they have studied ufo's

your question is meaningless, if you asked it of a christian theyd direct you to the bible, there is no equivalent Hopi text...

but come on, you must have thought the Hopi bowl joke was funny

 

[King of the Americas]

well thats not a question is it, its an invitation to a lecture. I know everything about their "emergence" story. I even know you don't call it a creation story. How stunning is my knowledge

but youre asking too general a quesion, Taiowa instructed Sotuknang to create humanity which he did with the help of Kokyangwuti, what specifically is the question you want answered because obviously if you haven't studied Hopi then nothing I can say is going to have much meaning to someone who thinks they know all about it because they have studied ufo's

your question is meaningless, if you asked it of a christian theyd direct you to the bible, there is no equivalent Hopi text...

but come on, you must have thought the Hopi bowl joke was funny

Who were "Taiowa, Sotuknang, and Kokyngwuti", and where did they come from? Who made 'them', or rather from whence did they 'emerge'?

The Caddo Indians have an emergence tale. Supposedly, they all came out of a cave... I met a guy who was looking for this cave as if were a real place. I'll bet we'll all hear about it, if he ever finds it.

 

[King of the Americas]

True, he did say that...

Now... how about them colours? Ready to concede yet?

Where's that link? I was going to show it to someone, but I must have missed it. What page is it on?