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UFO'S: A possible explanation

Ok, now I understand the Google Earth tenacity...

Where is the evidence that there even is a 'they' that even can be 'ready to present it'.

Without that starting point there is nothing.

Where ever you look for it...

They say if you look for something long enough, you'll eventually find it.

The thing with skeptics is that they start with the notion that these things aren't real. So when 'they' look upon ancient artwork or through historical texts, they don't see 'evidence', they see myth, story, fiction...

'They' litter our historical record, and there are some today that say they too have 'seen' those that remain unseen to the masses.

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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Where ever you look for it...

They say if you look for something long enough, you'll eventually find it.

The thing with skeptics is that they start with the notion that these things aren't real. So when 'they' look upon ancient artwork or through historical texts, they don't see 'evidence', they see myth, story, fiction...

'They' litter our historical record, and there are some today that say they too have 'seen' those that remain unseen to the masses.

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.

right, so in other words you still havent got any evidence
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Where ever you look for it...
Nope, not in my underpants... luckily, I might add.

They say if you look for something long enough, you'll eventually find it.
While you are looking for them, keep a lookout for:

- A cure-all; for AIDS, cancer, age etc.
- The winning lottery numbers
- A horse that flies.

The thing with skeptics is that they start with the notion that these things aren't real.
Nope. They start with the notion that these things are not proven.

So when 'they' look upon ancient artwork or through historical texts, they don't see 'evidence', they see myth, story, fiction...
But luckily Von Daniken, the hotel guy did see it...

The thing is, that in science, evidence needs to be verifyable. And repeatably so.

We also have:

- The bible, the tora, the koran etc. Do they constitute proof of one or more gods to you?
- Unless the ancient artwork is accompanied by a letter on how to interpret it, it is pretty hard to get 'it' right.
I challenge you to spend an afternoon with me in the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam. Even though these works are perfectly documented and all the little details are quite easily visible, I doubt that you will interpret even one correctly.
Art is an incredibly more complex subject than 'I see it therefore it must mean such and so'.
Try doing Duchamp or Koons.

'They' litter our historical record, and there are some today that say they too have 'seen' those that remain unseen to the masses.
Some... unseen to the masses...

What is different from religion and the 'miracles' and apparitions there?

And 'they' do not. 'They' do not exist. There, I said it.

Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.
No it is not. That is just trying to mold the word into what you want it to be.

Fantasy is in the eye of the beholder. Evidence is when it can be verified more than once by more than one unknown-beforehand party.

I say we are pretty unknown to you, so where do we verify?
 
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Not in your eyes...

And my personal experience is no more valuable to you.

You've mis-interpreted history, and you refuse to believe your fellow man.

Congratulations, you're a good skeptic.

You can deny whatever you like, the onus of proof is on you, and I'm not a sceptic, I'm a historian, thats why I know youre talking out of your ass, this is also why I know that God is depicted in renaissance pictures as a glowing cloud and is referred to as such in his main source document (the bible), this you were completely unaware of until it was pointed out to you in words of one syllable. Your evidence consists solely of things you don't understand, mine consists of things that I understand fully, this is why you keep getting shown to be wrong, laughably so

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'They' litter our historical record, and there are some today that say they too have 'seen' those that remain unseen to the masses.

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

I don't know how much explanation I can put to any of the pictures on the site above(with the exception of those filed under hoaxes and misinterpretations). I found the link in another thread a while back.
If you can explain them, any of them, then

a) Clue me in, pleeeeease
b) Email the guy who runs the website. It would at least do him a favour. I think you can find a link to his email address at the end of the Hoaxes slideshow
 
http://www.ufoartwork.com/

I don't know how much explanation I can put to any of the pictures on the site above(with the exception of those filed under hoaxes and misinterpretations). I found the link in another thread a while back.
If you can explain them, any of them, then

a) Clue me in, pleeeeease
Might help if you read more than just the OP, the most "alien" image championed by KotA was already discussed, he got pwned
b) Email the guy who runs the website. It would at least do him a favour. I think you can find a link to his email address at the end of the Hoaxes slideshow
I did that 2 years ago when I first saw the website, do you want to guess at his response ?
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http://www.ufoartwork.com/

I don't know how much explanation I can put to any of the pictures on the site above(with the exception of those filed under hoaxes and misinterpretations). I found the link in another thread a while back.
If you can explain them, any of them, then

a) Clue me in, pleeeeease
b) Email the guy who runs the website. It would at least do him a favour. I think you can find a link to his email address at the end of the Hoaxes slideshow

Ha, I have been to Itolo and Kolo (Tanzania). The tribes are a bit pissed off because they keep telling the 're-interpreters' what the images mean; 'from cave or from tree'.
 
the Hopi aren't impressed that new agers are claiming they have links to the pleides either,
:)
 
I think its more like, noone wants new agers and crystal links deciding what their mythology means when they already know what it means themselves perfectly well

ALL religious people think they have a solid bearing on 'their' mythology. Catholics may very well believe they 'know' the truth of their religion, but sometimes more can be gleaned by someone NOT tainted by indoctrination.
 
ALL religious people think they have a solid bearing on 'their' mythology. Catholics may very well believe they 'know' the truth of their religion, but sometimes more can be gleaned by someone NOT tainted by indoctrination.

considering every thing you have ever suggested at this forum has been proven wrong, and the reason you were wrong was because you knew nothing about the topics you were posting I will take this idea for what it is worth

nothing.

fact is, you have to immerse yourself in a culture to understand it, immersing yourself in ufo culture like you have done does not miraculously bestow knowledge of anything else at all,

the Hopi discount for instance the claimed links between them and pleiadean greys because the link was invented by ufo cultists in the 60s. that will be people who believed things because they were on drugs and it fitted their deluded world view. Not people who knew anything about anything at all, people just like you

you would of course know this if you knew anything at all about Hopi and their traditions.
I suggest before rushing to defend your claims on this one you actually do some research. I know just as much about Hopi as I do Mesopotamian history and it would be an awful shame to have to publically pwn you again.
;)
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I would like to add:

The Aboriginals can still read their 'Wandjina's' and paintings thereof (I hope I spell it right, I only know it from them talking and explaining to me) that have been made thousands of years ago.

And still there are UFO nutters that claim the 'spirits' are something else but that 'spirits'.

If you do take that view... they will not like you a lot.
 
considering every thing you have ever suggested at this forum has been proven wrong, and the reason you were wrong was because you knew nothing about the topics you were posting I will take this idea for what it is worth

nothing.

fact is, you have to immerse yourself in a culture to understand it, immersing yourself in ufo culture like you have done does not miraculously bestow knowledge of anything else at all,

the Hopi discount for instance the claimed links between them and pleiadean greys because the link was invented by ufo cultists in the 60s. that will be people who believed things because they were on drugs and it fitted their deluded world view. Not people who knew anything about anything at all, people just like you

you would of course know this if you knew anything at all about Hopi and their traditions.
I suggest before rushing to defend your claims on this one you actually do some research. I know just as much about Hopi as I do Mesopotamian history and it would be an awful shame to have to publically pwn you again.
;)
:p

First of all, before you "pubically pwn" me again, would you tell me what that means?

Secondly, you never 'proved' what God/god(s), is/was, or what they aren't...

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Who made the Hopi and how?

Did their ancestors just pop out of the ground one day, or do they have a heavenly agent creation story?
 
First of all, before you "pubically pwn" me again, would you tell me what that means?

I suggest you read the post again, paying special attention to the 1st l in 'publically'
Who made the Hopi and how?

Did their ancestors just pop out of the ground one day, or do they have a heavenly agent creation story?

I don't suppose you might be offended by evolutionism at all?
 

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