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Don Piper - 90 Minutes In Heaven

I have read this book and I believe this really did happen to Mr.Piper.

I also believe God can do anything in a persons life, unlike many of you here on this board. Scripture even tells us with God all things are possibe!

Out here in the real world the cessation of heart and respiratory activity for longer than 10 minutes under ordinary conditions means your brain turns into a 'tapioca pudding'.
The "Don Piper" is lying.
 
I have read this book and I believe this really did happen to Mr.Piper.

More blind faith without any evidence. What a surprise!

I also believe God can do anything in a persons life, unlike many of you here on this board. Scripture even tells us with God all things are possibe!

Can he cure childhood diseases? Can he regrow a lost limb? Can he allow you to think for yourself? If he can do any of these, why hasn't he bothered? The world would be a better place if he did and isn't that what he wants?
 
My understanding is that "death" is the cessation of brain wave activity (as opposed to simply the heart stopping and respiratory functions ceasing and the bowels evacuating and ones credit card being declined) and to date, no one has come back from that one. How fortunate for Mr. Piper that there is no way to check out his story, not without killing him, anyway.
 
While I agree that the Reverend Mr Piper may believe he was dead, I have yet to see any actual evidence. It sounds like his "dead" and really dead might be different things.

And why wait to write the book. I thought the "good news" should be delivered ASAP. Think of how many people died without a chance to hear his story!
 
The possibility of fraud is also very real. There's a guy named Dannion Brinkley from a town near mine in South Carolina who claims to have died for 28 minutes as a result of a lightning strike while he was talking on the 'phone. He even claims that he was dead in the hospital morgue for some time before returning to life. Oddly, a local newspaper article published right after the accident quotes Brinkley as saying he was out for a few minutes until his wife pounded on his chest. His doctor reported that his claim of being dead in the morgue was untrue. It would seem Mr. Brinkley makes a habit of lying. He claimed in his book Saved by the Light that he had served as a CIA sniper in Laos during the Vietnam war. Investigation of military records showed that he served as a truck driver in Georgia when he claimed to be in Laos. He, of course, claims that this is a government cover up due to the classified nature of his mission, but actual special forces snipers who served in Vietnam report that his story is riddled with holes exactly as if it were written by someone who was pretending to know about a business that he really knows nothing about. He also fails to explain why the U.S. government has failed to press charges against a covert operative who is blabbing publicly about classified secrets.

Brinkley also claims to have had future events revealed to him while he was having his out-of-body experience. The fall of the Soviet Union, The disaster at Chernobyl and the first Gulf War were all predicted by Brinkley. Of course, he forgot to tell anyone other than Raymond Moody about these prediction until after the events happened, so he was left saying "I knew that was going to happen" a posteriori. Actual a priori predictions, a nuclear disaster in Norway in '95 and an economic collapse in the U.S. in the late '90s, proved somewhat less impressive in regard to accuracy.


Interesting. Is there an article out there somewhere on this? Just curious because I try to collect this kind of information.
 
One thing that people forget when they read glurge like this is that others have had somewhat similar experiences, or at least claim to. For example, Sylvia Browne has written a detailed account of heaven. I would be willing to bet that the specifics of "heaven" differ considerably between her and Piper. Often this is waved off by theists as "Heaven is what you want it to be". If so, why is Piper's version of it of any interest?
 
Interesting. Is there an article out there somewhere on this? Just curious because I try to collect this kind of information.

He was brought up as support for the veracity of out-of-body-experiences/dualism in one of the first threads I ever participated in on this forum. There was even less to be found on the Internet regarding him than there is now, but I was still able to put together the fact that no one was corroborating his story. You'd think that hospital staff would remember a guy coming back to life after 28 minutes of death. That, plus the fact that his only "successful" prophecies were claims to have known that the events would happen, convinced me that he was a fraud. Later I found out about the CIA sniper lie and was not surprised.
 
One thing that people forget when they read glurge like this is that others have had somewhat similar experiences, or at least claim to. For example, Sylvia Browne has written a detailed account of heaven. I would be willing to bet that the specifics of "heaven" differ considerably between her and Piper. Often this is waved off by theists as "Heaven is what you want it to be". If so, why is Piper's version of it of any interest?

Not to mention Hindu NDEs which involve encounters with Hindu religious figures or the Thai NDErs who meet Yamatoots, messengers of the god of death Yama. Or the Kaliai in Melanesia whose afterlife is all about high technology...(http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/keith_augustine/HNDEs.html#differences)
 
He was brought up as support for the veracity of out-of-body-experiences/dualism in one of the first threads I ever participated in on this forum. There was even less to be found on the Internet regarding him than there is now, but I was still able to put together the fact that no one was corroborating his story. You'd think that hospital staff would remember a guy coming back to life after 28 minutes of death. That, plus the fact that his only "successful" prophecies were claims to have known that the events would happen, convinced me that he was a fraud. Later I found out about the CIA sniper lie and was not surprised.

This makes me wonder about other high-profile NDErs like Howard Storm, Betty Eadie and Kimberly Clark-Sharp. Not much on the Internet on them either from a skeptical perspective. Might be interesting to see what we could come up with.
 
Out here in the real world the cessation of heart and respiratory activity for longer than 10 minutes under ordinary conditions means your brain turns into a 'tapioca pudding'.
The "Don Piper" is lying.

If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!
 
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Okay, perhaps Mr. Piper didn't have an out of his body experience but there is plenty of reason to believe he has had an ongoing out of his mind experience.
 
Oh, this man came to my church on book tour about a year ago. I had the displeasure of sitting through his one hour live commercial. I don't remember anything about it except coming out with an extreme dislike for him.


The thing to know here though, is that people of nearly all religions have had these "I died, saw the afterlife, and came back to heaven" types of happenings. The thing is, these people all see the heaven or afterlife of their own religions. Muslims see Allah and come back preaching Muhammad's good book; Budhists see spirits and begin reincarnation, etc..
 
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If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

Apparently not. There's been prayers you'd stop posting here for years.
 
If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

Because it has never been observed by medical science. Yet, each of these people have been in the company of medical professionals...
 
If Jesus could resurrect people like Lazerus from the dead then I think he can repair anything that was damaged because of the trauma of death. Many people have claimed to be resurrected after death, why is that so hard for people to believe? God can do anything he wants to do, he's God!

My bolding.

Because there has to be facts. All the words you used, indeed, even the reference you've cited, has no confirmed facts. It's all beliefs, hear-say stories and conjecture.

Why is that so hard for people to get confirm facts?


And from the wiki site, I noticed something interesting (again, my bolding)
(His book) is narrated in first-person from Piper's point of view (although he personally does not remember many of the details of the crash). The book contains two chapters detailing his experience in heaven. The remaining chapters deal with Piper's recovery — an ordeal that included 34 separate surgeries.

The guy doesn't even remember the accident, and, as it was stated before, it was years after the fact when he wrote the book, so it's been confirmed that he has a faulty memory of the indecent. So how could this possibly be true?
 
You know I'm busting out the Mark Twain

Singing hymns and waving palm branches through all eternity is pretty when you hear about it in the pulpit, but it's as poor a way to put in valuable time as a body could contrive.
- Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven

It is easy to see that the inventor of the heaven did not originate the idea, but copied it from the show-ceremonies of some sorry little sovereign State up in the back settlements of the Orient somewhere.
- Letters from the Earth
 

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