Coal Ship Boarded By GreenPeace

[DC]

But it would help him to get that 100 kilo's down to something that a normal car can haul...

(Really, is 1.5 tons of car a normal thing in the U.S.?)

even a smart can haul me

even a Prius has 1375 kg

 

[Spyke]

Not quite. You attempt to board my vessel, I could care less what your political agenda is. You are using unlawful action to impose your will upon a flagged vessel of a sovereign country. By all rights, any person attempting to board another vessel that is not doing so in the course of a security operation under UN mandate from a commissioned warship should be shot dead where he stands. Anything less than that should be considered a gift.

Nicely put.
I totally agree with JoeyDonuts statement.

While I can see how Greenpeace might have some good causes to get behind, boarding someones vessel is NOT the way to go about it.

This is the sort of bonehead move that puts me into a rage. Also the cutting in front of the other vessels and "playing chicken".. oh man, sink the ****ers.

Full speed ahead Captain!!

You want to get a message out there? Get a spot on TV, do newspaper and radio ads, picket the Head Office or what have you.
Don't go after the hard working men/women on the ship who have nothing to do with it. These people are just doing their jobs and have nothing to do with the decisions made at managemnet level.

Try and board my ship illegally..? See the above post.

Let's see, you don't agree with something so you take over the ship or try and get them to ram you.. wtf??

Arrgh, I better stop typing now.

 

[realpaladin]

even a smart can haul me

even a Prius has 1375 kg

Eh:

Dude: "Why is a foot-long sandwich a foot long?"
Buddy: "Hey man, even a salad fits in a bucket!"

I fail to see why mentioning a Prius is a justification for a question on weight...

 

[Checkmite]

It would become a REAL sticky situation if this passes.

No it wouldn't, not at all. That law could legally only apply to ships sailing in international waters. As I understand it, the Greenpeace dweebs assualted this vessel while at berth. Once within a country's territory, any ship is subject to that country's admiralty law, whatever the flag (which includes, by the way, local authorities' ability to board and conduct inspections if that country provides for such). If the US wants to make it legal for a captain to use deadly force to repel invaders, that just means he won't be arrested in the US. Another country can still arrest him if the action took place within their jurisdiction and it's against the law to kill hostile but unarmed intruders.

 

[DC]

Eh:

Dude: "Why is a foot-long sandwich a foot long?"
Buddy: "Hey man, even a salad fits in a bucket!"

I fail to see why mentioning a Prius is a justification for a question on weight...

you asked if 1.5 ton is normal for a car in the US.

 

[realpaladin]

you asked if 1.5 ton is normal for a car in the US.

Yes I did. So you mentioned the weight of a Prius.

I think possible answers would fall somewhere in the line of:

* Yes
* No
* Most
* Allmost none
* Something allmost entirely, but not quite, unlike yes

You catch my drift?

 

[paximperium]

Yes I did. So you mentioned the weight of a Prius.

I think possible answers would fall somewhere in the line of:

* Yes
* No
* Most
* Allmost none
* Something allmost entirely, but not quite, unlike yes

You catch my drift?

The answer would be almost all cars in the world are over 1 ton. Even a Mini Cooper weighs 1100kg. Some really small city cars could weigh in under 1ton but that's few and far between.

Most sedans are about 1.5tons. I believe the Toyota Camry and Honda Civic, the best sellers in the US, are about that weight.

 

[realpaladin]

The answer would be almost all cars in the world are over 1 ton. Even a Mini Cooper weighs 1100kg. Some really small city cars could weigh in under 1ton but that's few and far between.

Most sedans are about 1.5tons. I believe the Toyota Camry and Honda Civic, the best sellers in the US, are about that weight.

After that answer I decided to look around a bit (source: various sites by Google)

It is 1175 Kg for the average passenger vehicle in Europe and 2000 Kg in the US

 

[paximperium]

After that answer I decided to look around a bit (source: various sites by Google)

If you include trucks and SUVs, yup.

 

[realpaladin]

If you include trucks and SUVs, yup.

I guess it is what is, on average, being used to haul the average person around

I just was wondering that, because I drive a Lexus LS, which, in my country, is considered to be a huge mofo of a car. And it only weighs 1.3 tons.

 

[paximperium]

I guess it is what is, on average, being used to haul the average person around

I just was wondering that, because I drive a Lexus LS, which, in my country, is considered to be a huge mofo of a car. And it only weighs 1.3 tons.

Ahhhh...what measure of tonnage are we using? Imperial or metric?

Because the Lexus LS weighs about 1700kg.

 

[realpaladin]

Ahhhh...what measure of tonnage are we using? Imperial or metric?

Because the Lexus LS weighs about 1700kg.

No... not really... my official card here says 1374 Kg...

I am not sure who put 400Kg extra in yours or took 400Kg out of mine...

 

[paximperium]

No... not really... my official card here says 1374 Kg...

I am not sure who put 400Kg extra in yours or took 400Kg out of mine...

Maybe I'm looking at a different model.

 

[realpaladin]

Maybe I'm looking at a different model.

Doesn't matter, that merely was the reason for me asking

 

[DC]

ok ok, lets take 1000 kilo then. i still find it laughable to take a 1000 kg vehicle to move my 100kg ass.

 

[realpaladin]

ok ok, lets take 1000 kilo then. i still find it laughable to take a 1000 kg vehicle to move my 100kg ass.

Me too. Me Dutch. Dutch bike a lot. Me not 100kg.

 

[DC]

Me too. Me Dutch. Dutch bike a lot. Me not 100kg.

ik heb 100 kilo van nederlandse olibollen and flaamse frieten

 

[realpaladin]

ik heb 100 kilo van nederlandse olibollen and flaamse frieten

Oliebollen doen we maar 1x per jaar en die vlaamse frieten, dat is je eigen schuld!

 

[DC]

Oliebollen doen we maar 1x per jaar en die vlaamse frieten, dat is je eigen schuld!

pfff kasskopjes
ben ook een, maar en Zwiters kaaskopje

 

[JoeyDonuts]

No it wouldn't, not at all. That law could legally only apply to ships sailing in international waters. As I understand it, the Greenpeace dweebs assualted this vessel while at berth. Once within a country's territory, any ship is subject to that country's admiralty law, whatever the flag (which includes, by the way, local authorities' ability to board and conduct inspections if that country provides for such). If the US wants to make it legal for a captain to use deadly force to repel invaders, that just means he won't be arrested in the US. Another country can still arrest him if the action took place within their jurisdiction and it's against the law to kill hostile but unarmed intruders.

That's pretty sticky. It would apply in international waters, of course - but some countries get a little goofy on what does and doesn't constitute that. Libya, for example, still thinks it owns the entire Gulf of Sidra. If Greenpeace attempted to board a vessel and lost a protestor or two, they could wrangle the argument that they were inside the EEZ and should the defending captain should be subject to THAT country's laws.

Either way, I don't see it breaking in GP's favor. Any country that depends on seaborne commerce doesn't want to send a message to the captain of an incoming freighter that he does not have the inherent right of self defense.