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"Neda". Watched it. Not cool.

leftysergeant said:
I am feeling a sense of foreboding right now, and hearing right-wingers grumbling that we should do something. Bad idea.
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I agree the current course is correct, and the US needs to keep its hands out of it to not give the ****stains running the country a possible rallying cry vector to assist themselves.

This isn't an issue of the US shamefully swallowing its pride. It's a recognition of how the POS's in charge over there will shamelessly use anything to maintain their vicious power and luxury.

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Ysidro said:
I'm more disturbed that I had no idea what you guys were talking about until Oliver posted the wikipedia article. :boggled:
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I had no idea either. I just went to Liveleak to look for Iran videos since people kept asking me, "What do you think about the Iran situation?" this weekend, and I don't watch much TV.

"Girl dies on camera", I had no idea it was the tip of the iceberg.
 
MattusMaximus said:
CNN.com has unedited video footage - via Twitter - of Neda's death. I'm glad they're not sugar-coating any of it. People need to see the sort of frakked up **** that happens in the name of ultimate religious authority.
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By the way, US CNN just showed the bulk of the core video without a face blur, with loads of pre-warning. They blurred it out towards the end when her face was finally completely blood covered. But as a piece of history-in-progress, it's good they show what's driving people so emotionally at the moment.
 
Beerina said:
By the way, US CNN just showed the bulk of the core video without a face blur, with loads of pre-warning. They blurred it out towards the end when her face was finally completely blood covered. But as a piece of history-in-progress, it's good they show what's driving people so emotionally at the moment.
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But don't expect similar violence being shown in connection to US-policy-related incidents. The Neda video is quite harmless in terms of graphic content to what came out of Afghanistan and Iraq, for example. CNN and all the others intentionally didn't show those images so people at home actually don't understand what drives people down there emotionally. This unofficial policy of censorship is in place since the "napalm-burned people"-image out of Vietnam. [/partly off-topic explanation]
 
Oliver said:
CNN and all the others intentionally didn't show those images so people at home actually don't understand what drives people down there emotionally.
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Really? Do you have any proof to back this up, or are you speaking out of your ass as usual?

My guess is on the latter.

ETA: and notice how you've spinned this story around to blame America. This Iranian girl was shot at a protest and somehow, you've found a way to blame the US again. Good work Ollie, you're getting more and more imaginative.

It's really pathological. The only way you found to show your outrage against the Iranian government, was to post a Twitter and Wikipedia link (which anybody could do, really, we don't need you to do that). That's as far as you could go, because you have no desire to protest against Iran. That's not really giving us your opinion, that's just posting a link. But you feel that's enough to make you feel as though you did comment on this issue, and the avatar.

But then, the fun part starts: you returned to your default anti-American stance, which is your favorite and most comfortable position, because you've got alot to say about that.
 
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Oliver said:
CNN and all the others intentionally didn't show those images so people at home actually don't understand what drives people down there emotionally. This unofficial policy of censorship is in place since the "napalm-burned people"-image out of Vietnam. [/partly off-topic explanation]
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Or perhaps there is a world of difference between Neda being murdered and an Iraqi being beheaded.

Sectarian violence - democratic resistance.
 
Pardalis said:
Really? Do you have any proof to back this up, or are you speaking out of your ass as usual?

My guess is on the latter.

ETA: and notice how you've spinned this story around to blame America. This Iranian girl was shot at a protest and somehow, you've found a way to blame the US again. Good work Ollie, you're getting more and more imaginative.

It's really pathological. The only way you found to show your outrage against the Iranian government, was to post a Twitter and Wikipedia link (which anybody could do, really, we don't need you to do that). That's as far as you could go, because you have no desire to protest against Iran. That's not really giving us your opinion, that's just posting a link. But you feel that's enough to make you feel as though you did comment on this issue, and the avatar.

But then, the fun part starts: you returned to your default anti-American stance, which is your favorite and most comfortable position, because you've got alot to say about that.
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Uhm, nope.
 
Oliver said:
Uhm, nope.
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The reporter doesn't seem to put forth any evidence, only his personal impressions.

There has been dozens of pages about US censorship you participated in already, people gave you plenty of reasons why the media censors graphic images.

If you didn't get it then, you won't get it ever.

It is certainly not the reason you alluded to.
 
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Pardalis said:
I already can see the conspiracy theory the Iranian government is trying to spin on this story:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98746&sectionid=351020101
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98732&sectionid=351020101

According to them it's not the police who shot those people, but "armed saboteurs" and "terrorist elements' who had infiltrated the rallies"... :rolleyes:

They are preparing to pin this on US interference, I can smell it coming a mile away.
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That's what the theocracy does. It has spent 30 years cultivating a conspiracy mindset so that it can continue to set itself up as the great protector of the people from myriad foriegn oppressors. It'll be interesting to see if it works this time. If it doesn't, then there will be questioning over what other things the leadership has lied about.

People could very well start to wonder if the West is really as bad as they had been lead to believe.

I personally don't want to see the video. Watching it doesn't change the facts of what happened, it simply adds a level of visceral horror to the event that I have no desire to experience. I prefer my horror to be fictional, thanks much.
 
Pardalis said:
I already can see the conspiracy theory the Iranian government is trying to spin on this story:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98746&sectionid=351020101
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98732&sectionid=351020101

According to them it's not the police who shot those people, but "armed saboteurs" and "terrorist elements' who had infiltrated the rallies"... :rolleyes:

They are preparing to pin this on US interference, I can smell it coming a mile away.
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I'm guessing both US and UK interference, but I think you're pretty much right.

I don't think it'll work. The information that is getting out can't be controlled by the Iranian security networks, and too many people are suspicious of the government.
 
Pardalis said:
I already can see the conspiracy theory the Iranian government is trying to spin on this story:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98746&sectionid=351020101
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98732&sectionid=351020101

According to them it's not the police who shot those people, but "armed saboteurs" and "terrorist elements' who had infiltrated the rallies"... :rolleyes:
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In a way they're even not lying there. Consensus seems to be that it is the Basji who have done the dirty work. They answer only to the Supreme Leader. :rolleyes:

Pardalis said:
They are preparing to pin this on US interference, I can smell it coming a mile away.
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Oh sure. That's why the US (and other Western states') governments must not be too vocal. It only gives ammo to the regime.
 
On the other hand, I have a feeling that the west is going to be blamed for it anyway.
And, frankly, I have to wonder what a deal on nukes or anything else would be worth with a government like that.
 
Oliver said:
But don't expect similar violence being shown in connection to US-policy-related incidents. The Neda video is quite harmless in terms of graphic content to what came out of Afghanistan and Iraq, for example. CNN and all the others intentionally didn't show those images so people at home actually don't understand what drives people down there emotionally. This unofficial policy of censorship is in place since the "napalm-burned people"-image out of Vietnam. [/partly off-topic explanation]
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Do you ever look at yourself and wonder why you seek to twist everything into a way to slam the US?

Go live in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, or under the Palestinians. You are a philosopher. You claim cliffs are a figment of the imagination. So put your theory to the test and walk off a cliff.



"Boy, I love getting some iced coffee and donuts in the morning on the way to work."

"Did you know the US gave the Tuskeegee guys free coffee?"
 
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ddt said:
...Oh sure. That's why the US (and other Western states') governments must not be too vocal. It only gives ammo to the regime.
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Apparently, the regime is going to be actually asking the families of those shot and killed to pay for the ammo being used against them.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094795.html
The family of an Iranian man, Kaveh Alipour, 19, killed in a demonstration against the country's contested presidential election has been ordered to pay the equivalent of $3,000 for the bullets that took his life, according to The Wall Street Journal.
 
dudalb said:
On the other hand, I have a feeling that the west is going to be blamed for it anyway.
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Of course, we already are. However, the whole reason for all this unrest in Iran is that many of its people don't believe everything the government says. The fact that we're blamed matters little, as long as few people believe it.
 
Hmmff, so far I've heard that the way to help them out is to do something technical with internet servers and the like. Isn't there some organisation I can give some cash to?

What can one (Who isn't computer savvy) do to help from abroad?
 
Beerina said:
Watched the Neda video on Live Leak. Don't know why. I hate watching death videos. US TV is scrubbed clean of them, but it wouldn't surprise me if European channels broadcast it.

Hopefully things will change over there. It appears to be a massive rallying cry.

It's described as she's shot in the head, but she's shot in the chest.



I stumbled onto it before I saw how the **** hit the fan because of it. I'm glad it did. The **** running that country needs to die painfully. Now.
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The movement is outgunned. I think it is over. The only hope was this high ranking group who could demand a recount or whatever.

According to this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31499296/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa

"TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's top electoral body, the Guardian Council, found "no major fraud" in the disputed June 12 election and ruled out annulling the the results, Iran's state TV Tuesday quoted a spokesman for the council as saying. "

"With Tuesday's announcement, Iran's regime appeared to be closing another door to compromise. Iran's supreme leader had already praised Ahmadinejad as the winner and ordered post-election protesters off the streets. On Monday, the feared Revolutionary Guard threatened a crackdown if protests persist."

Oh and about the Neda video: it should be shown in all its horror. It causes a movement. I think it was a crime that the 9-11-2001 bodies were not shown on TV and the crashes of the falling bodies were not heard either. Because of this, I think the US has forgotten what should still make them angry.
 
leftysergeant said:
Stay the hell out of it, Senator McCain.
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Hey if we took his idea and "bomb, bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" we would end the political problems there over night. THey would unify against us so quickly and effectivily that they wouldn't have to worrry about such riots for many years.
 
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