Ahmadinejad wins re-election

Must admit I am a bit confused as to why saying the turnout was 141% rather than 132% is being an apologist. If said the turnout was 230% would I actually be Khameni?
 
The Iranians should have sent somebody to see how the Daley machine in Chicago operates and see how it's done. They would not have made the bush league mistakes they made.
 
I believe the icon is mocking people who follow Obama and his "Yes we can!" mantra as being kool-aid drinking loyalists. There he is, running around and serving it up for them. Or something.
 
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Isn't that thing a mascot for a product in America? I only think that because I see him pop up in the Simpsons.
 
In the strongest message yet from the U.S. government, the House voted 405-1 Friday to condemn Tehran's crackdown on demonstrators and the government's interference with Internet and cell phone communications.

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Rep. Ron Paul, a Texas libertarian who often speaks out against what he regards as government meddling, cast the sole opposing vote.
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This supports my personal pet theory that the Guardian Council had put out the word that Ahmadinejad should beat Mousavi by 2:1, but failed to explain how such results should be achieved. The Interior Department passed the word dutifuly to the war dleaders, and each ward leader had to figure out on his own how to arrange a 2:1 victory.

In some places, Ahmadinejad may have legintimately gotten a 2:1 victory. Those ward leaders had it easy.

In some places (particularly where Mousavi wasn't allowed to have observers), they may have just ignored the results, taken the total number of votes and then simply reported the proportions required.

In other places, they had to go the traditional route of stuffing the ballot box. Let's assume an impressive 80% turnout. In those places with 141% turnout, assuming all stuffed ballots were for Ahmadinejad (not illogical), the proportion of votes for Ahmadinejad:Mousavi would have been as low as 7:10. (I.e., Mousavi took that ward 58.8% to Ahmadinejad's 41.2%.) This ignores third-party candidates and the like.

Now that's impressive.
 
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The Guardian quotes a different turnout for Taft. Their source is Ayandeh, an organisation which the Guardian claims stayed neutral during the campaign.
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The Dutch Volkskrant paper has yet another angle:
In 170 electoral districts, voter turnout was between 95% and 140% according to the official numbers. One of the losing candidates, Mohsen Rezai, said this Friday on Iranian state TV.

In Iran, people are not obliged to vote in their own district. Rezai asked for the numbers per voting bureau, but hasn't gotten these.

The three losing candidates say fraud has been committed. They have registered complaints on 646 points. Incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad turned out as winner within one hour of closing of the polling.
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Dutch TV had a clip of Khamenei during the Friday prayer. He first said there had been no fraud. Then he said something like: "Fraud in the order of a couple of hundred thousand votes would have been thinkable, even a million - but 11 million? Impossible."

In another article, the Volkskrant mentions a purported letter of the Interior Minister to Khamenei, dated June 12th. It reads:
Since you were afraid about the results of the presidential elections, and indicated your preference that Ahmadinejad remains in power - due to current sensitivities - we dealt with the situation as discussed. To prevent turmoil, we have placed the candidates and party leaders in custody.
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Then the letter details the results: 19mn for Mousavi, 5.6mn for Ahmadinejad and 13.3mn for Karroubi (no mention of the numbers for Rezai) - so Ahmadinejad is third according to this letter. The letter has been handed to MEPs by two Iranian artists.

The Iranian government denounces the letter as a fraud and has arrested some Iranians who put it on the internet. See the article for the letter.
 
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marksman said:
This supports my personal pet theory that the Guardian Council had put out the word that Ahmadinejad should beat Mousavi by 2:1, but failed to explain how such results should be achieved. The Interior Department passed the word dutifuly to the war dleaders, and each ward leader had to figure out on his own how to arrange a 2:1 victory.

In some places, Ahmadinejad may have legintimately gotten a 2:1 victory. Those ward leaders had it easy.

In some places (particularly where Mousavi wasn't allowed to have observers), they may have just ignored the results, taken the total number of votes and then simply reported the proportions required.

In other places, they had to go the traditional route of stuffing the ballot box. Let's assume an impressive 80% turnout. In those places with 141% turnout, assuming all stuffed ballots were for Ahmadinejad (not illogical), the proportion of votes for Ahmadinejad:Mousavi would have been as low as 7:10. (I.e., Mousavi took that ward 58.8% to Ahmadinejad's 41.2%.) This ignores third-party candidates and the like.

Now that's impressive.
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I am getting impressions of some Ward Heller in Tehran going around saying in Farsi:
"You only voted ONCE? You call that doing your Islamic Duty?".:D
 
dudalb said:
I am getting impressions of some Ward Heller in Tehran going around saying in Farsi:
"You only voted ONCE? You call that doing your Islamic Duty?".:D
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That would not have worked on my shift.:D

I don´t understand how you can do something like this without leaving witnesses all over the country.
A voting site with 4000 voters on the list had 30-some volunteers, all present at counting, and witness to the result for that site. Iran must use a somewhar similiar ratio of people.

Well they can´t, they are popping up now.
 
Toke said:
That would not have worked on my shift.:D

I don´t understand how you can do something like this without leaving witnesses all over the country.
A voting site with 4000 voters on the list had 30-some volunteers, all present at counting, and witness to the result for that site. Iran must use a somewhar similiar ratio of people.

Well they can´t, they are popping up now.
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I LOVE the scene of Tammany Hall on election day in "Gangs Of New York". Now THERE is how you steal an election.
And Jim Broadbent absolutley Nails Boss Tweed. He even looks as if he stepped out of a Thomas Nast Poltical Cartoon.
 
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And I see a basic level of dishonesty going on here with people trying to defend the Khameini Government .
The fact is they are so desperate for some kind of "Peace Agreement"with Iran that they are willing to sell Democracy in Iran down the tubes in order to get it.
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I'm curious. What specifically was said that gave you that impression?
 
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