Parents Think Boy Is Reincarnated Pilot

I started reading this thread today assuming it was current. You mean to tell me the last post of the original thread was P.S.A.'s on July 13, 2005--then nothing else until four years later! What ever happened to Interesting Ian? Is he still around?
 
RichardR said:
Don't blame you. It has been covered - mostly. To repeat what I wrote all those years ago, I think, with quite a good degree of certainty, we can say what happened with this child.

The child visited the WWII air museum before any of the other WWII related issues started. I have confirmed this information came from the kid's mother. Everything else follows from that - the museum had a Corsair exhibit, had a drop fuel tank exhibit etc. The therapist Carol Bowman is of the Ian Stevenson "ask leading questions" school. The whole thing is nonsense dressed up for TV ratings.

I wrote about it here.
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Depends whether you believe Bruce Leininger, James' father. According to him, James told his mother that, in his past life as James Huston, his plane had taken off from a boat named "Natoma" and that a "Jack Larson" was involved. Huston took off from the Natoma Bay and the wingman on his ill-fated flight was named Jack Larson.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
No scientist in the World thinks reincarnation is real.
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"Jim Tucker, a child psychiatrist and medical director of the Child and Family Psychiatric Clinic at the University of Virginia, is one of the few researchers to extensively study the phenomenon of children who seem to have memories of past lives.

He says James' case is very much like others he has studied.

"At the University of Virginia, we've studied over 2,500 cases of children who seem to talk about previous lives when they're little," Tucker said. "They start at 2 or 3, and by the time they're 6 or 7 they forget all about it and go on to live the rest of their lives."

"Do You Believe?

"Tucker -- the author of 'Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives' -- has seen cases like James' where children make statements that can be verified and seem to match with a particular person.

"It means that this is a phenomenon that really needs to be explored," Tucker said. "James is one of many, many kids who have said things like this."
See http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2232830&page=1
 
Rodney said:
"Jim Tucker, a child psychiatrist and medical director of the Child and Family Psychiatric Clinic at the University of Virginia, is one of the few researchers to extensively study the phenomenon of children who seem to have memories of past lives.

He says James' case is very much like others he has studied.

"At the University of Virginia, we've studied over 2,500 cases of children who seem to talk about previous lives when they're little," Tucker said. "They start at 2 or 3, and by the time they're 6 or 7 they forget all about it and go on to live the rest of their lives."

"Do You Believe?

"Tucker -- the author of 'Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives' -- has seen cases like James' where children make statements that can be verified and seem to match with a particular person.

"It means that this is a phenomenon that really needs to be explored," Tucker said. "James is one of many, many kids who have said things like this."
See http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2232830&page=1
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The next thing I said in my post was:
Convince a few of them first and I'll believe too.
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And further:

Dr. Tucker's publications (from his website http://www.lifebeforelife.com/Publications.htm ):

Tucker JB. Religion and medicine. [Letter] Lancet 353:1803, 1999.

Tucker JB. Modification of attitudes to influence survival from breast cancer. [Commentary] Lancet 354:1320, 1999.

Keil HHJ, Tucker JB. An unusual birthmark case thought to be linked to a person who had previously died. Psychological Reports 87:1067-1074, 2000.

Tucker JB. A scale to measure the strength of children's claims of previous lives: methodology and initial findings. Journal of Scientific Exploration 14(4):571-581, 2000.

Tucker JB. Measuring the strength of children's claims to remember previous lives. In Trends in Rebirth Research: Proceedings of an International Seminar, Senanayake N, (ed.). Ratmalana, Sri Lanka: Sarvodaya Vishva Lekha, 2001.

Tucker JB, Keil HHJ. Can cultural beliefs cause a gender identity disorder? Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality 13(2):21-30, 2001.

Tucker JB. Review of "Getting Rid of Ritalin: How Neurofeedback Can Successfully Treat Attention Deficit Disorder without Drugs." Journal of Scientific Exploration 16(4):688-694, 2002.

Tucker JB. Reincarnation. In Macmillan Encyclopedia of Death and Dying, Kastenbaum R (ed.). New York: Macmillan Reference USA, 705-710, 2003.

Tucker JB. Religion and Medicine. In Medicine Across Cultures: History and Practice of Medicine in Non-Western Cultures, Selin H (ed.). Dordrecht, The Netherlands: Kluwer Academic Publishers, 373-384, 2003.

Tucker JB. Review of "Return of the Revolutionaries: The Case for Reincarnation and Soul Groups Reunited." Journal of Scientific Exploration 17(3):583-584, 2003.

Tucker JB. Response to "A New Perspective on the Afterlife Issue." Journal of Near-Death Studies 22(1):15-19, 2003.

Nelson R, Krippner S, Tucker J, Zeitlin G, Pitkanen M, King C, & Germine M. Who and where is the self? A round table discussion on memory, information and the limits of identity. Journal of Non-Locality and Remote Mental Interactions
(e-journal) 2(3):http://www.emergentmind.org/interview.htm, 2003.

Keil HHJ & Tucker JB. Children who claim to remember previous lives: Cases with written records made before the previous personality was identified. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 19(1):91-101, 2005.

Sharma P & Tucker JB. Cases of the reincarnation type with memories from the intermission between lives. Journal of Near-Death Studies, 23(2):101-118, 2005.

Tucker JB. Juvenile-onset bipolar disorder? [Letter] Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 44(10):966, 2005.

Tucker JB. Life Before Life: A Scientific Investigation of Children's Memories of Previous Lives. New York: St. Martin's Press, 2005.

Pasricha SK, Keil J, Tucker JB, Stevenson I. Some bodily malformations attributed to previous lives. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 19(3):359-383, 2005.

Tucker JB & Keil HHJ. Experimental birthmarks: New cases of an Asian practice. International Journal of Parapsychology, in press.
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I'll wait for him to have a paper accepted by a journal other than the like of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, the Journal of Near-Death Studies and the International Journal of Parapsychology. Thank you very much. :rolleyes:
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
The next thing I said in my post was:
And further:

Dr. Tucker's publications (from his website http://www.lifebeforelife.com/Publications.htm ):

I'll wait for him to have a paper accepted by a journal other than the like of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, the Journal of Near-Death Studies and the International Journal of Parapsychology. Thank you very much. :rolleyes:
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How about the Lancet? And, of course, the late Ian Stevenson published many articles in peer-reviewed journals.
 
is this that Leinster kid who remembered being a pilot in a former life based on the USS Natoma Bay
pay attention now this is going to get obvious
interesting game he is addicted to in this news video
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.story
its called "Battle fleet"
heres an info page
http://www.battle-fleet.com/
this game was released in 2000 when James was 2
scroll down to
LIST OF UNITS USED IN 1939BF AND PACIFIC WAR BATTLESHIP GAMES
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you'll see USS Natoma Bay listed
James started freaking out having bad dreams about dying in a WW2 fighter when he was 2, same time as this game was released and probably after hed been playing it
his parents took him to see a counsellor who just happened to be Carol Bowman
Carol Bowman earns a living from selling stories of childrens reincarnation to parents who want their little kids to be something special
"hey hes not really a kid screwed up by a violent computer game we allowed him to play, hes really a reincarnated pilot"

buy the book now, written by his mum and with a foreward by Carol Bowman
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Soul-Survivor/Andrea-Leininger/e/9780446509336
in case anyone was wondering Carol Bowman discovered that her son was a reincarnated black civil war soldier about 6 months after the movie "Glory" was released
of course these possible sources are entirely coincedental which is why the adults concerned decided not to mention them to anyone at any point
:D

my favourite bit is where his mum asked him what his name was and he said "James" which she then took as being the name of the dead person he must have been, and not like his actual name. you can discover this for yourself, go ask any 2 year old called James what their name is, I'm betting the vast majority are going to say "James". If any of them says "king henry the 8th" let me know, I could get them a lucrative book deal


I do think there are genuine cases of people having past life memories, but this isn't that, this is just business
 
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Rodney said:
Depends whether you believe Bruce Leininger, James' father. According to him, James told his mother that, in his past life as James Huston, his plane had taken off from a boat named "Natoma" and that a "Jack Larson" was involved. Huston took off from the Natoma Bay and the wingman on his ill-fated flight was named Jack Larson.
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And I covered that in my article.
 
Marduk said:
is this that Leinster kid who remembered being a pilot in a former life based on the USS Natoma Bay
pay attention now this is going to get obvious
interesting game he is addicted to in this news video
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.story
its called "Battle fleet"
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What makes you think he was playing that specific game? And what makes you think he was playing that at age 3 when he first started mentioning Natoma?
 
RichardR said:
And I covered that in my article.
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in your article you cast doubt on wether little James got the name of the ship right and wether it was just wishful thinking on the part of his parents,
that answer was far from satisfactory as it has no supporting evidence
and when considered in light of the fact that he had been playing a WW2pacific war combat game where he was taking off from the USS Natoma Bay on a daily basis for 9 years I would have thought he'd got the name precisely right, wouldn't you
:D
 
because the game was released in 2000 when his experiences started and because he is still playing it as shown in this press video, you don't believe 2 year olds know how to use a joystick ?
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.story
I am very familiar with this game, in fact I was addicted to it for quite some time, the Iwo Jima campaign is awesome
:)

and despite the fact that hes obviously addicted to it in the video himself, you wonder why it is that no one mentions it, he even says in the video at 0:22secs and I quote "I can beat the Japanese easy as pie" as hes sat in front of the computer with the joystick in his hand
 
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Marduk said:
because the game was released in 2000 when his experiences started and because he is still playing it as shown in this press video, you don't believe 2 year olds know how to use a joystick ?
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The video says "when we first met James in 2005..." - and showed him playing a video game. In 2005 he was 7, and yet he mentioned Natoma when he was 3. So how do you know he played that game at age 2?

And where does it say he was playing that specific game?
 
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Marduk said:
in your article you cast doubt on wether little James got the name of the ship right and wether it was just wishful thinking on the part of his parents,
that answer was far from satisfactory as it has no supporting evidence
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I said we can't be sure what really happened. I don't need supporting evidence of this - the burden of proof is on the people claiming he knew these names.
 
RichardR said:
The video says "when we first met James in 2005..." - and showed him playing a video game. In 2005 he was 7, and yet he mentioned Natoma when he was 3. So how do you know he played that game at age 2?

And where does it say he was playing that specific game?
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are you being deliberately obtuse,
the game was released in 2000 when he was 2,
his dreams of being trapped in a burning plane started when he was 2,
I recognise the game because I've played it and it does feature the names of real ships and real locations in it, including the USS Natoma Bay and Iwo Jima, from which you fly corsairs against enemy ships and ground targets and other enemy aircraft

parents are claiming reincarnation when in fact the source of every piece of original information claimed to be from a past life is in a game in his home.

you'll note that the names of the real veterans who the parents contacted are after the fact, that is to say, that the names of these people were known to his parents before they were known to James. lets see now, theres this phenomena, "leading question" perhaps you heard of it
;)
 
RichardR said:
I said we can't be sure what really happened. I don't need supporting evidence of this - the burden of proof is on the people claiming he knew these names.
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right, and I can prove he was familiar with those names from playing the game, those names are in the game, why then would you need to listen to any claim made by his parents even if they had a video of the event and a room full of credible witnesses when you can prove the source is in his bedroom,
 
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Marduk said:
are you being deliberately obtuse,
the game was released in 2000 when he was 2,
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I understand that. But how do you know he was playing that specific game? I didn't hear anyone on the video mention the name of the game and you couldn't see the screen. So how do you know he was playing that game?

And how do you know he was playing it at age 2?
 
RichardR said:
I understand that. But how do you know he was playing that specific game? I didn't hear anyone on the video mention the name of the game and you couldn't see the screen. So how do you know he was playing that game?
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Watch it again, there are screenshots at 25 seconds

RichardR said:
And how do you know he was playing it at age 2?
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see I don't know that he was playing it at age 2
I do know
it was available and so by inference a source for all his info was available, not as the parents would have you believe that there was no possible source
all the pictures he drew age 3 show scenes from the game
he certainly is an expert at it at a very young age, he can kill the Japs "easy as pie"
perhaps you should write to his mum and ask her for a straight answer, but considering she has an income based on this don't expect one.

what about his claim that "little man can't get out"
how big are pixels ?


:p
 
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RichardR said:
And I covered that in my article.
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You simply speculated that Bruce Leininger's account is inaccurate. He is adamant, however, that James mentioned Jack Larson's name with no prompting. And how do you explain James Huston's sister's contention that James Leininger knew that: (1) her childhood name was Annie; (2) her portrait was painted; and (3) she had a sister named Ruth?
 
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