So Silverstein "pulled" his buildings so he could go broke rebuilding them?

Unsecured Coins said:
hey, if a tree falls in a forest, and no one's around to see it land on a mime, is it still funny?
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That is so such a sad story, all the mime wants is to be funny, and the one and only time he could ever be funny no one is there to laugh.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I have proven that fire chiefs can bring down buildings in an emergency.
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And who would be doing this job?

Would the firechief send or allow people into a burning building that he himself is unwilling to send his own men into, therefore putting those people's lives at stake, all to prevent the fires from spreading, when at the time they were stringing lines from the fire boats that would then be used to fight those very same fires IF they actually spread?

What professional demo expert would be willing to go into a building that the FDNY has evacuated because they were fairly convinced that the building was going to collapse?

And why would these heroes then not be on every front page of every newspaper in the country, if for no other reason than to serve as the biggest recruiting tool in the world?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I have proven that fire chiefs can bring down buildings in an emergency.
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No, you haven't. Fire chiefs cannot, in fact, "bring down buildings in an emergency". You really should be more careful in your use of language, and you really should pay more attention to what it is that you are trying (and failing) to articulate clearly. Fire chiefs cannot demolish buildings, and do not have the means to do so, in any event.
 
Gavron said:
Oh my.....first you say this:

ULTIMA1 said:
Why are you so immature as to put words om my mouth?

I never stated the firefighters have the authority to perform demolition.
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then seven posts later, you say this:

ULTIMA1 said:
The fire commander has the authority to being down a building in an emergency, size has nothing to do with it.
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They cannot demo a building, but a couple posts later they can?

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To be fair, in the first quote he's referring to firefighters, while in the second quote he's referring to fire commanders.

A while back he made the insane claim that a fire commander was not actually in charge of the FDNY, so this may be an extension of that insane world of his.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Oh i have posted plenty of prove, not my fault if you cannot figure it out.

Or if your not mature enough to admit it.
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I'm not here to figure out your identity and/or job. I expect clear, unequivocable proof of the fact, not sly hints and/or innuendo. You have failed, dismally, to provide this. Seeing as you're using your supposed position as an analyst in the NSA to argue from, it's pretty important to verify this, no?

What is it with your "immature" comments? The only people I know who constantly throw out immaturity as an insult are generally teenagers. I'm tending to believe you fall into that category. Your typing skills and general behaviour reinforce that concept.

Whatever - you are not worth my time. I'd far rather watch paint dry for intellectual input. Welcome to ignore, little person.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
So sad you cannot tell the difference between firemen and fire commanders.
So very sad.
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Are you telling us that Fire Commanders are not firemen?

What are they then? Postal carriers? Conveniance store clerks? WalMart greeters? :big:
 
Gavron said:
Are you telling us that Fire Commanders are not firemen?

What are they then? Postal carriers? Conveniance store clerks? WalMart greeters? :big:
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As near as I can figure it firefighters are "salt of the earth" types who are loyal to a fault and are dumb enough to believe anything told to them by an authority. Fire commanders are NWO initiates capable of Machiavellian deviousness and destroying tall buildings with a single command.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Since the firemen were out of the building (according to the fire chiefs) then the fire commander could have only been talking about the building when he stated pull it.
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This is false. You do understand that there was an hour and an half window from the time that the order was given until the last firefighter was out of the building? You cannot prove that the phone call didn't happen during that time.
 
lapman said:
This is false. You do understand that there was an hour and an half window from the time that the order was given until the last firefighter was out of the building? You cannot prove that the phone call didn't happen during that time.
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None of that matters.

Nimrod's claim is that "somebody" "pulled" the building. And that someone in the FDNY made it happen.

That would require that they send that "somebody" into a building that the FDNY believed would collapse at any time.

The FDNY absolutely WOULD NOT allow this "somebody" into that building to save property. They WILL go into a building to save people. They WILL NOT go nor allow anyone else to go into a building that they believed would collapse to save adjacent property, when there is no certainty that 7's collapse would 100% mean that another building would catch fire. Their job is NOT to risk lives to save property.

Their first priority is to save lives. And then, if they can save property, without endangering lives, they will do it.

Nimrod's theory relies on gross negligence from the FDNY commanders.

This is a perfect example of how internet trolls will say anything to keep the argument going, no matter who they disrespect.

This is what they live for. This is how they get their rocks off.
 
Seymour Butz said:
None of that matters.

Nimrod's claim is that "somebody" "pulled" the building. And that someone in the FDNY made it happen.
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Bingo. He's made his point. There is nothing more: Silverstein ordered the corrupt FDNY (whose commanders are part of the NWO Jewish Illuminati) to set off the silent explosives and bring the building down, adding to Silverstein's financial woes.

Notice how many FDNY personnel retired after 9/11? It wasn't stress and trauma from the harrowing event. Oh no. It was the fact that they had collected their NWO paychecks and could retire comfortably, knowing they'd done their part in destroying democracy and bringing reptilian rule to the planet.

Have I got the gist of it, or did I leave something out?
 
Yeah.

Trolls will do anthing, say anything, disrespect anyone, to prolong the argument.

This is all that trolls live for. It's how they get their rocks off.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
So sad you cannot tell the difference between firemen and fire commanders.
So very sad.
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Let's just say that everything you're saying is true; that the firefighters somehow demolished a burning building to save lives and/or property.

I just have one question for you:

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ARGUING FOR A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY?

Because I don't see one here.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Oh i have posted plenty of prove, not my fault if you cannot figure it out.

Or if your not mature enough to admit it.
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It is inconceivable that you are an intelligence analyst, as that job requires skills you do not possess. Believe me, that's as charitably as I can put it.
 
lapman said:
This is false. You do understand that there was an hour and an half window from the time that the order was given until the last firefighter was out of the building? You cannot prove that the phone call didn't happen during that time.
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You're right, of course, but you've given him the tiny window of opportunity he lives for. You've encouraged him to hang on to his delusion about Larry Silverstein. What possible difference could it make if someone informed Silverstein after all the men were out? What if Silverstein didn't hear from the FDNY until 4:30? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if no one bothered to make the courtesy call. He is trying to compare a time--an estimated time, actually--to nothing at all. He keeps ignoring my question about the various possible times for the courtesy call because, irrational as he is, he has figured out that it just doesn't matter. Here's what it all boils down to:

Nigro ordered the men pulled from the collapse zone a bit after 2 PM;
Hayden says that the operation was complete by 3:30;
The building fell at roughly 5 PM;
Silverstein claims that someone from the FDNY called to inform him of the department's decision to give up on WTC 7;
Silverstein recalls agreeing with the decision, observing that in view of the terrible loss of life, making sure that nobody else got killed was the smartest course of action;
Silverstein recalls watching the building fall, presumably on his TV.
Silverstein gives no information about the time of the courtesy call from the fire department, but we know that it could have been anywhere from 2:10 to 4:45.

Now, a crackpot desperately straining to fabricate a conspiracy theory struggles with these matter-of-fact statements and finds himself at a loss. Where the heck is the conspiracy? What on earth is suspicious about anything here? In a wild throw, based on absolutely nothing, dishonest, anti-Semitic frauds latched onto Silverstein's use of firefighter jargon--he talked about "pulling" the contingent of men from the collapse zone-- and invented out of whole cloth a fantastic and nonexistent connection to explosives.

There simply isn't anything more to this incredibly stupid non-issue.
 
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Now Ultima1 has been banned, so he can claim victory on the nut sites. We still don't know if a seriously ill person actually does work for the NSA as an analyst. This is not what winning feels like.
 
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