So Silverstein "pulled" his buildings so he could go broke rebuilding them?

BasqueArch said:
The firefighters were pretty sure WTC7 was going to collapse and they pulled the guys back, not the building.

From Firehouse Magazine April 2002

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"... but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
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Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day.

Silverstein vindicated
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FDNY Pulled people out not building down
 
MikeW said:
They do understand it. But they'll take whatever "anomalies" they can get (or generate). It's just the same as pretending that "our purpose was to document the event" implies foreknowledge, that Barbara Olson asking "what shall I tell the pilot" means he was sitting with her in the back of the plane, that Andrews AFB having "combat ready" fighters on 9/11 means they were available on alert. It's desperate word parsing, where they place their own interpretation on a sentence and base an entire argument on the meaning of one or two words, and it's at the heart of many truther arguments.
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Maybe. Still, you're viewing the problem from the perpective of a highly intelligent, rational person. What do you think Ultima1 had in mind when he offered as his "proof" that a massive 47-story skyscraper was blown up by the fire department a news story about a very small structure being cleared away with a backhoe? It's as though I claim that a pellet gun loaded with birdshot can kill tens of thousands of people if discharged in an urban neighborhood. You tell me that I'm out of my mind, and I respond by showing photos of Hiroshima after the bomb hit. Where do you start? I think you should begin by wondering what I'm trying to do.
 
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FineWine said:
What do you think Ultima1 had in mind when he offered as his "proof" that a massive 47-story skyscraper was blown up by the fire department a news story about a very small structure being cleared away with a backhoe?
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Okay, fair point! But I guess it doesn't really matter. We can never be entirely sure whether, say, David Ray Griffin is self-deluded, a liar, or some combination of the two. Why worry about his motivation, though? Better to concentrate on what we can establish: where and why he's wrong.
 
MikeW said:
Okay, fair point! But I guess it doesn't really matter. We can never be entirely sure whether, say, David Ray Griffin is self-deluded, a liar, or some combination of the two. Why worry about his motivation, though? Better to concentrate on what we can establish: where and why he's wrong.
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easy. he is always wrong.

NEXT!!!

TAM;)
 
beachnut said:
Your lack of comprehension of this event is amazing. The "pull it" meant they pulled the fire fighting support from the building.
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Please show me in the statments from Chief Nigro and CHief Hayden that the firemen were pulled after they were ordered too by the fire commander.

If you do any research and look at the facts you will see the firemen were pulled from the building BEFORE talking to anyone INCLUDING the fire commander.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Please show me in the statments from Chief Nigro and CHief Hayden that the firemen were pulled after they were ordered too by the fire commander.

If you do any research and look at the facts you will see the firemen were pulled from the building BEFORE talking to anyone INCLUDING the fire commander.
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You do realize that this post is complete gibberish. Normally what you write is nonsense, deliberate falsehoods and errors of fact. This post is gibberish. It has no coherent meaning.

What "fire commander" can you possibly have in mind? How hard is it to understand that Nigro ordered men pulled from the collapse zone? Seriously? How long will you rave about utter nonsense?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Please show me in the statments from Chief Nigro and CHief Hayden that the firemen were pulled after they were ordered too by the fire commander.


Please reword the above so that it makes some sense.


If you do any research and look at the facts you will see the firemen were pulled from the building BEFORE talking to anyone INCLUDING the fire commander.
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Your point is?

You havnt read or understood what you have been directed too Roger. Please try to read one word at a time and read it all, again and again if you dont understand it. The larger words may mean something that you dont understand. Use a dictionary for those. Then read it again.
 
FineWine said:
How hard is it to understand that Nigro ordered men pulled from the collapse zone? Seriously? How long will you rave about utter nonsense?
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Thanks for agreeing that Chief Nigro pulled the firemen before talking to anyone and before the phone call.
 
Please show us evidence that a burning 40+ story building has ever been pulled before or after 9/11. Do you have evidence to show a 40+ story burning building has ever been pulled?

besides, you also said a building has never collapsed from fire before....so why "pull it"? It's safer to have a 40+ story building come crashing down in a rushed demo, rather than have flames possible leap to another building where they can be extinguished easily?

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ULTIMA1 said:
Thanks for agreeing that Chief Nigro pulled the firemen before talking to anyone and before the phone call.
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I will play your mad, exhausting game. It was not possible for Nigro to implement his order to evacuate the collapse zone without talking to anyone. Duh! He had to talk to someone. Okay? He did not have to talk with Larry Silverstein. He says he didn't talk with Silverstein. Are you keeping up so far?

We DO NOT KNOW when, or if, anyone made a courtesy call to the building's owner. We know that the FDNY was not required to do so.

We have Hayden's estimate that all the men were pulled by roughly 3:30 PM. We DO NOT KNOW the time of the courtesy call to Silverstein. Consequently, we CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW if all the men had been removed at the time of Silverstein's conversation with the unnamed fire chief.

All we can know is that any call made to Silverstein MUST have been placed after the department decided to abandon efforts to save the building and before the building actually collapsed.

Eventually, you simply have to come to terms with your total inability to make any sort of coherent point.
 
It's no use, Finewine....he just wants to argue to get his post count up.

A reasonable person can see and understand your post. We are not dealing with that here though...
 
FineWine said:
I will play your mad, exhausting game. It was not possible for Nigro to implement his order to evacuate the collapse zone without talking to anyone.
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So your saying that Chief Nigro lied when he stated he did not talk to anyone before pulling the firemen?

All we can know is that any call made to Silverstein MUST have been placed after the department decided to abandon efforts to save the building and before the building actually collapsed.
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So you agree the firemen were had to be out of the building before the call?
 
A challenge.

If anyone can show me facts and evidence that the firemen were in the building at the time of the call i will leave the forum forever.

Otherwise you will have to admit the firemen were NOT in the buidling at the time of the call and that the fire commadner had to be talking about the buidling when he stated PULL IT.
 
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ultima1 said:
so your saying that chief nigro lied when he stated he did not talk to anyone before pulling the firemen?



So you agree the firemen were had to be out of the building before the call?
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no roger. We dont know if a call was actually made by any fireman or anyone - therefore we cant put any time on it even if it was relevent.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
So your saying that Chief Nigro lied when he stated he did not talk to anyone before pulling the firemen?



So you agree the firemen were had to be out of the building before the call?
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Why should I get myself suspended over such idiocy? I get a warning for not addressing the argument, but an insane argument repeated relentlessly until everyone's ears bleed is not the problem. The problem is with the arguer.

I have spelled out as comprehensively as humanly possible why nobody thinks Nigro is lying about anything and this hopeless so-and-so is asking for the hundredth time if I'm saying that Nigro is lying. Can he read what I post? Evidently not. Why am I bothering?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
A challenge.

If anyone can show me facts and evidence that the firemen were in the building at the time of the call i will leave the forum forever.

Otherwise you will have to admit the firemen were NOT in the buidling at the time of the call and that the fire commadner had to be talking about the buidling when he stated PULL IT.
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What time was the call Roger?
 
Why accept your challenge, when you have no evidence to back your theory at all?
 
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