YOU are the one who stated (incorrectly) that psychology has proved something as a "fact".
Wrong... though more likely deliberate, in which case it is a lie, and it is...
1 Carry your opponent’s proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it
Unless you can try and find a quote where I say psychology proved something as a fact AND that it is incorrect.
YOU are now stating (incorrectly) that I have assessed some aspect of it as "this or that". [Psssst, a FACT is, by definition, "this or that". YOU are the one stating that something is a fact, i.e., "this or that". I am the one that YOU are too simplistic.]
Now your playing the semantics game, and yes, your very responses have shown that you think it is as simple as "THIS" or "THAT" when it comes to human psychology. But come on tom, tell us mere mortals what it was I was stating as "fact", please tell us and tell us how I am incorrect and how it is too simplistic? I mean you seem so sure of yourself so why not show your proof instead of just making a claim?
YOU are now stating (incorrectly) that you understand my concept of the field - from that ONE post - to such an extent that you can assert that I am underestimating its complexity.
Again...
1 Carry your opponent’s proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it
Nowhere did I state I understood your concept of the field, nor was it implied. What I stated was...
Your simple attempt to throw out my whole argument by trying to strip down a very complex situation into a one "issue" problem fails because that is not the way the human mind works usually.
Add to that what I had already said previously...
Most people have "double think" when it comes to their government and can easily hold the two opposing views of "I do not trust the government" and "most people prefer to believe their governments are just and fair" at the same time.
But if you think that quote is simply about "trust in the government" then you have really missed the ball
However what you said shows you underestimate its complexity without my having to point it out.
YOU are the one that is now stating (incorrectly) that I attempted to reduce your points to "one issue".
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4792177&postcount=49
Could you please point out all the "issues" you mentioned?
Most amusingly of all, you have now repeatedly stated that you can assert "how the human mind works".
Let me guess: You took a freshman Psych class in college...
Mmmm, after many centuries of study, the field of psychology has a very firm grasp of "how the human mind works"
Is this something you would dispute? Does the fact that the field of human psychology is not perfect mean that they cannot know things like the "double think" that infects many people? Or is it that you simply want to "infer" that this is the case, trying to imply by insinuation that I could not possibly know this concept?
PS. Please do NOT make the mistake of thinking that, because I say it is an art, not a science, and cannot yet state "facts" that you think you understand my respect (or disrespect) for the field. You will be wrong.
Continuously trying to exagerate what I say (the straw man) so you can then tear me down. Can you point to where I have said I understand your "respect" or "disrespect" for the field? Or where I have claimed to know your level of knowledge/understanding?
The only thing I have said was that judging from your comment you underestimate the "issue", but if you want to pull a...
1 Carry your opponent’s proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it.
...so you can build your strawman to tear down that's up to you
BTW, anyone want to explain to me how JREF "debunkers" can claim at the same time that the majority of the population believe the US government OCT while at the same time throwing up all those "polls" that show that the government is never trusted?
NO? No one wants to take an honest stab at that one? Well first of all it depends on the issue involved. Most people are perfectly willing to state that their government is capable of lying and cheating and stealing, but when it comes to big issues like war and murder and treason that's where the "double think" comes in because they still think their government lies, cheats and steals but are honest and decent and respectable when it comes to the big issues. The why of that is a complex psychological issue.
