Was Tiller's Murder a Staged, State-Sponsored Terror Attack?

Its beginning to look like Operation Rescue may have aided and abetted the alleged murderer.

Cheryl Sullenger, the contact number Roeder had for Operation Rescue on the dash of his car when he was arrested, was previously been found guilty and served six months in prison for conspiring to bomb an abortion clinic in 88. The Operation Rescue website listed home and church addresses for Tiller, a practice that has previously been used to direct killers to targets.

Roeder vandalized Tiller's clinic four times over the last few years, including the day before the killing. These were federal crimes under the FACE act, and should have landed Roeder in prison, had the authorities responded, but under Shrub, the FACE act was unenforced.

Roeder was known to Tiller's employees because they had caught him in the act both on video and personally, as well as having seen him at previous Operation Rescue protests. That Operation Rescue is saying that they had nothing to do with him is simply lying for Jesus.

Jill Stanek, another anti reproductive health care zealot and agitator, is still posting the other two doctor's home addresses on her website, along with photos.

If Operation Rescue had this much to do with Tiller's murder, it would seem that they are going to be facing some serious legal trouble.
 
Did you bother reading the link you were given?
It would appear not, since instead of discussing it you resort to shouting nonsense.




Absolutely disgusting.

Agreed. Late term abortions are very disgusting.
 
Its beginning to look like Operation Rescue may have aided and abetted the alleged murderer.

Cheryl Sullenger, the contact number Roeder had for Operation Rescue on the dash of his car when he was arrested, was previously been found guilty and served six months in prison for conspiring to bomb an abortion clinic in 88. The Operation Rescue website listed home and church addresses for Tiller, a practice that has previously been used to direct killers to targets.

Roeder vandalized Tiller's clinic four times over the last few years, including the day before the killing. These were federal crimes under the FACE act, and should have landed Roeder in prison, had the authorities responded, but under Shrub, the FACE act was unenforced.

Roeder was known to Tiller's employees because they had caught him in the act both on video and personally, as well as having seen him at previous Operation Rescue protests. That Operation Rescue is saying that they had nothing to do with him is simply lying for Jesus.

Jill Stanek, another anti reproductive health care zealot and agitator, is still posting the other two doctor's home addresses on her website, along with photos.

If Operation Rescue had this much to do with Tiller's murder, it would seem that they are going to be facing some serious legal trouble.

Oh geez, I knew it! I knew it wouldn't be long before the conspiracy theories started up!!
 
Galileo, Thanks for taking the bait. Everything I posted was fact, and fits with previous events and actions of OR, while your CT was an escape velocity flight of fancy. It is also a demonstration of the difference between loony conspiracies and what real conspiracies would look like, clumsy and easily pierced.
 
Were is your evidence that this was done in order to seize peoples guns? All you provide is a list of items relating to a suspected murderer. Nothing you list is evidence of a conspiracy to take guns or increase the number of abortions performed.



Well things are a little early in the prosecution process and I am sure there will be evidence presented in court. Jumping the gun on this point when you are not in anyway directly related to the case is a little silly. Police don't often release all of their evidence to the general public as it could harm the prosecutions case.

In any case how about two witnesses that he assaulted?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_shooting_suspect

If this is a conspiracy I am guessing the whole church is in on it?



He was arrested 3 hours after the shooting near Gardner apx 170 miles away. Gardner is a straight shot from Wichita up I35. The speed limit on I35 is 70 mph. Assuming he did not speed he could have traveled up to 210 miles. The first thing most killers do is try and run. He was heading towards Kansas City which is his last know address. There is nothing odd about this at all.



I have not seen anyone link him to anti-abortion groups. I have seen him linked to anti government groups which no one is denying.



He has also never been a member, volunteer, or contributor to Green Peace. So what? This is completely irrelevant information.



Once again this is irrelevant. My mother is one of the kindest people on the planet but I have seen her threaten to kill people caught hunting on our land.



Can you quote a source for this? He has been linked to violent anti government groups so perhaps his violent past is merely undocumented?



Completely irrelevant.



Ummmm... other pro-life activists have killed abortion doctors. In fact this group you to keep a hit list.

http://www.christiangallery.com/



Until you can conclusively prove Lee Harvey was a scapegoat you should leave him out of the discussion. Who is calling Roeder a "lone nut?"



Every source I can find talks about his conviction AND the fact that it was thrown out. Can you show me one that does not mention that it was thrown out?



Irrelevant.



How do you know she is either vindictive or disgruntled? She is not a witness or even an accuser. The media is talking to people who know him, is that really evidence of a conspiracy?



False, he shot Tiller in a church and assaulted two people that tried to stop him.



False.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/31/abortion-doctor-george-tiller-killed



Most killers don't think these things through and other political activists have killed abortion doctors.



What? Completely false assumptions and logic here. If someone is crazy then they have to talk to the media? If they don't talk to the media then they can't be crazy? Temporary insanity is a possibility and a legal defense.



What's the other side? Perhaps Roeder's attorney is advising him not to talk. Perhaps he is feeling ashamed and doesn't want to talk. There are many reasons he wouldn't be giving interviews but this is not evidence of a conspiracy.



Where is yours?



They are also irrelevant and would not support your theory anyway.



Your point is...?



Wouldn't the exact opposite of being in favor of murdering people actually be being against murdering people? Again, how is this evidence?



You need to prove that the "authorities" are controlling the media. You also need to tell us who the authorities are.

Evidence has been found and presented as I detailed above. More will come out in a trial, which Roeder will be given.

Yes, he is innocent until proven guilty, and nothing will change that.

Wow! You must have a lot of free time. Obsession is a common trait among debunkers.
 
Hey, don't blame me, I didn't shoot Tiller.
At least have the guts to take responsibility for your disgraceful and rather pathetic attempts at trolling.

What links are you talking about?
The one you ignored and started shouting nonsense at instead:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1902189,00.html

Looks like a textbook example of a fanatic to me. You can have a clean police record and still be a complete and total wackjob.
Really, your level of trolling is going downhill fast.
 
At least have the guts to take responsibility for your disgraceful and rather pathetic attempts at trolling.


The one you ignored and started shouting nonsense at instead:

I'm not a troll. I favor legal abortions, but oppose involuntary tax money used to perform them.

Early reports on Roeder, who was taken into custody shortly after the shooting and is expected to be charged Tuesday, show a history of antiabortion, antigovernment philosophy and protest.

Antigovernment philosophy and protest are virtues inherited from our Founding Fathers.

• According to a statement issued by his brother David, Roeder has suffered from bouts of mental illness. Read "George Tiller's Murder: How Will It Impact the Abortion Fight?"

David is not licensed to give such medical opinions. He most likely has not read the Founding Fathers and is pro-government.

• In April 1996, a 38-year-old Scott Roeder — thought to be the same man — was arrested in Topeka, Kans., after Shawnee County police stopped him for not having a proper license plate. Officers said they found bomb-making supplies in the car: ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a 1-lb. can of gunpowder and two 9-volt batteries.

Not known to be the same man. If it was, it happended a long time ago, people change. No evidence of violence has been presented and these items are legal, yep, including the 9 volt batteries.

• At that time, police said Roeder was part of the antigovernment Freemen group, which engaged in a three-month standoff with the FBI from a remote Montana farmhouse in 1996.

Police say lots of things about people they don't like. A group advocating freedom sounds very American to me.

• Roeder was sentenced to 24 months of probation. The conviction was overturned on appeal the next year when a higher court said the police search of his car had been illegal. Authorities have yet to confirm that the present suspect was the man in question.

In other words, the police broke the law, and Roeder is innocent of the charges.

• Posting on the website for Operation Rescue, which included a "Tiller Watch" feature, a man identifying himself as Scott Roeder asked in 2007 whether anyone had considered going to Tiller's church to ask the doctor about his work. (Operation Rescue's president has denounced the crime, calling it a "cowardly act." The group's founder, Randall Terry, issued a statement calling Tiller a "mass murderer" whose "hands were covered with blood.") Read "Right-Wing Reactions to Tiller Murder."

That's a real whopper. Roeder said he wanted to go to church.

• Roeder reportedly subscribed to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated "justifiable homicide" as a way of protesting abortion. Read "Understanding America's Shift on Abortion."

People don't agree with everything they read. No evidence has been provided that Roeder ever read the alleged advocations in the magazine.

• According to KMBC-TV in Kansas City, neighbors said people often came and went at Roeder's house and there were always several cars parked on the road in front.

Yikes! He had visiters to his house?

Quotes by:

"Bleass [sic] everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers [sic] church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."
— a poster identifying himself as Scott Roeder, at OperationRescue.org, in response to a scheduled vigil to "pray for an end to George R. Tiller's late-term-abortion business," May 19, 2007

In other words, he wants people to go to church, nothing to be paranoid about.

"Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation."
—a poster calling himself Scott Roeder, at ChargeTiller.com, Sept. 3, 2007

That's his opinion. A lot of people believe abortion is murder, including the Pope. Most people think abortion is a from of killing.

Quotes about:

"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide ... I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."
—Regina Dinwiddie, who met Roeder in 1996 while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic, Kansas City Star, June 1, 2009

Is this person a mindreader? People can have faulty memories of things that happened 13 years ago.

"I'd say he's a good ole boy, except he was just so fanatic about abortion."
— Morris Wilson, former commander of the Kansas Unorganized Citizens Militia, Kansas City Star, June 1, 2009

If this was a smear attempt, it wasn't very convincing.

"Scott Roeder has never been a member, contributor, or volunteer with Operation Rescue."
— Operation Rescue president Troy Newman, in a statement on June 1, 2009

Now the facts are starting to come out.

"Roeder is most definitely not part of the pro-life movement."
— Charmaine Yoest, Americans United for Life president and CEO, U.S. News and World Report, June 1, 2009

Pro-life movement is not defined in this citation. Regardless, he does not seem to be a major player in the pro-life movement. Murder is anti-life, so any evidence that Roeder was pro-life would be be evidence that tended to show he did not thave the motive to commit murder.

"He was fanatic about a lot of things. I went to one of his court appearances and thought, 'This guy is dangerous.' There were a lot of red flags that came up about him."
— Suzanne James, former director of victims' services for Shawnee County, where Roeder was involved with the Freemen, Kansas City Star, June 1, 2009

He has a clean record and no history of violence. No, he is not dangerous.

Due to a publishing error, the original version of this story incorrectly stated that Roeder was charged on Sunday with first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault. He has not yet been charged with a crime. It also stated that Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry's statement "appeared to condone the murder." In fact, it encouraged supporters to "peacefully protest" abortion.

In other words, Time magazine make major errors in facts, and is not a credible news source.
 
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You realize, Galileo, that if it turned out that Roeder had no association with Operation Rescue it is irrelevant to whether he's guilty.
 
You realize, Galileo, that if it turned out that Roeder had no association with Operation Rescue it is irrelevant to whether he's guilty.

You realize, Travis, that if it turned out that Roeder had an association with Operation Rescue it is irrelevant to whether he's innocent.
 
God this **** makes me sick to my stomach. That some people are so low that they will seek to exploit any tragedy for whatever political or conspiratorial desires. Shameless, talentless hacks with serious need for attention from others. Pathetic. I'm sorry if I'm going over the line, but this disgusts me.

Is there nothing that is off limits? Is there never anything that happens that could be exactly what it appears to be? Is there always a conspiracy?

Get help, please.
 

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