Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[xblade]

This thing kept clutching at me from just over my head and I was in such a rage to get at it and attack it. Finally I broke free and shot my arms out and grabbed the arms of the spectre thing above me and yanked them down while shooting up to a sitting position in my bed. I was suddenly awake in bed disoriented with my hands in front of me and simply realized I had my latest sleep paralysis.

Next time dream about this:

http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/g4/Olivia-Munn-in_bra_bent_over.jpg

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

You'll REALLY be trying to get your hands on it.

 

[kitakaze]

Yeah, not saying it couldn't or didn't happen, it's just one more aspect that doesn't add up. You'd think it would be a given that you and your friend would be sharing a stand together. That's why you're there...to hang with your friend. To leave it up to a random drawing makes little sense. But again, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Sounds like the adults were idiots

To add, his "attack" sounds similar to an epileptic seizure. It's interesting to note that the attack happened before he ever saw the creature. Those suffering epileptic seizures have been known to hallucinate as a result. Here's one claim. Also, hunger, stress, etc have been known to cause such seizures. He said he hadn't eaten, I'd say it was probably a little stressful being stuck in unfamiliar territory, etc. Not a doctor though, just throwing it out there. A friend used to see angels during his seizures.

All the more reason to be respectful to John, listen carefully, and not treat him with ire or disrepsect. You make good points as you always do but if you jump to fast to think he's just straight lying, John will never listen.

This is a quick little OT but I'm I couldn't help when you mentioned epilepsy. My avatar is of Ian Curtis, the lead singer of the post-punk Manchester band Joy Division that went on to become New Order. Ian was epileptic and often had seizures (sometimes on stage) and weakened from the condition he hanged himself in his kitchen just before he was to go on his first North American tour. He was a brilliant mind in music who still inspires many musicians like me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Curtis

 

[kitakaze]

Next time dream about this:

[qimg]http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/g4/Olivia-Munn-in_bra_bent_over.jpg[/qimg]
http://www.beertripper.com/OffTopic/g4/Olivia-Munn-in_bra_bent_over.jpg

You'll REALLY be trying to get your hands on it.

mmmmmmm... Munnnnnn's Report....





Glad I hung on to those.

 

[cos]

yikes

So in cos' diagram I guess it kinda looks like the wee little human in blue is trying to hide Bigfoot's monster wang.

I hadn't noticed that. In my efforts to avoid copyright infringement it seems I inadvertently produced bigfoot pornography.

 

[kitakaze]

If you hadn't heard, Bigfoot like to cluster@#$%.

 

[WGBH]

If you hadn't heard, Bigfoot like to cluster@#$%.

Yeah, it could have been worse. I could have seen one of those Bigfoot orgies.

 

[mikeyx]

Sweaty, it's the trashy name-calling of KKZ and JREF that is disrespectful to John.

Maybe Sweaty doesnt like not being the center of attention. JC is trying to share his story and maybe Sweaty can go do more on the inconclusive Memorial Day stuff.

 

[mikeyx]

"Trashy"?

How about this, from The Great and Powerful Kaze, to wvbig...





The Great Kaaz sees fit to judge everybody's ability to think.....yet when wolftrax posted his bogus, custom-altered doll-hand illusion gif, which has no relevance to anything...kitakaze instantly praised it....without question, or critical thought.

Old Thunder-Cheeks stands on his *-*-*-*- throne, and babbles-on, insulting every single Bigfoot proponent's ability to think objectively.


He thinks of himself as the 'Uncrowned King of Thunderdome'..........but I see him more as the 'Uncrowned Janitor of Tinkledome'...[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Pee1.jpg[/qimg]

Yeah that was very constructive, thanks for that (rolls eyes)

 

[mikeyx]

WGBH, given your description of this event, which preceded the sighting of the presumed bigfoot, I would like to submit the possibility that you were having a hypnagogic hallucination, which sometimes occur in conjunction with sleep paralysis.

"Hypnagogia" is the transitional state between wakefulness and sleep. A hypnagogic hallucination is a dream that occurs between the REM (dream-) state and full wakefulness. Such hallucinations can and have been taken as real events in the minds of those who experience them.

Sleep paralysis is a condition that sometimes occurs when the brain awakens from the REM (dream-) state, but body paralysis -- a natural part of the REM state -- persists. This conscious-yet-paralyzed state is sometimes accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations and an acute sense of danger and panic. Distorted perceptions of one's surroundings, and imagined objects or beings, are known and documented elements of these paralyzed hallucinations.

In the above-quoted report, you say you had not eaten that day and that you became weak and debilitated from nausea. You describe being "frozen... stuck there" prior to being "curled up in the fetal position" on the floor of the deer stand "for about five minutes".

This sounds like a description of sleep paralysis.

You also describe being alone in the woods for the first time in your life. "Sudden environmental change" is a factor that has been reported to increase the likelihood of sleep paralysis occurring. Others include:

* Sleeping in a face upwards or supine position
* Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in, sleep deprivation
* Increased stress
* Sudden environmental/lifestyle changes
* A lucid dream that immediately precedes the episode.

WGBH, if you are interested in discovering what happened to you that night in 1982, and have an open mind on the subject, I invite you to look into sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations, and decide for yourself if the factors involved with this known and studied, but little understood, phenomenon, match your recollection of the events.

It occurs to me that you might have witnessed a bear from the deer stand and, in your waking dream state, distorted the perception into a bigfoot, of which creature you have said you were aware from television. The feelings of panic and irrational danger that often accompany sleep paralysis have stuck with you all these years, and have led or contributed to on-going feelings of unease associated with the memory.


From WebMD:

Over the centuries, symptoms of sleep paralysis have been described in many ways and often attributed to "evil" presences: unseen night demons in ancient times, the old hag in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, and alien abductors. Almost every culture throughout history has had stories of shadowy evil creatures that terrify helpless humans at night. People have long sought explanations for this mysterious sleep-time paralysis and the accompanying feelings of terror.

But sleep researchers now know that, in most cases, sleep paralysis is simply a sign that your body is not moving smoothly through the stages of sleep. Rarely is sleep paralysis linked to deep underlying psychiatric problems.​

I honestly hope this helps. Here are some quick links to get you started in any research you care to undertake:

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/sleep-paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucinations
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

NOTE: I've relied on wikipedia's entries for the general wording of some of my descriptions of these conditions or phenomena, but the wiki entries are fully corroborated and supported by medical websites' descriptions and definitions of the terms as well. Also, I've written an unpublished novel in which the main character experiences sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations. I mention this to explain how I've come to understand a little about these events beyond simply looking them up tonight on the internet.

I've actually had a situation like that in the late 90s, and my observations would be that during the actual episode, it was VIVIDLY real, I would attribute mine in that moment to what you would hear described in a haunting, but upon awakening, just me, nevermore.

Not that that is what happened with JC, just adding for a personal perspective.

 

[William Parcher]

I tried to get them to come with me when I went to inspect the area where the animal had been standing, because I was so terrified. They wanted no part of it.

They had no interest in trying to confirm their own theory such as looking for bear tracks in that area?

 

[WGBH]

Yeah, not saying it couldn't or didn't happen, it's just one more aspect that doesn't add up. You'd think it would be a given that you and your friend would be sharing a stand together. That's why you're there...to hang with your friend. To leave it up to a random drawing makes little sense. But again, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

To add, his "attack" sounds similar to an epileptic seizure. It's interesting to note that the attack happened before he ever saw the creature. Those suffering epileptic seizures have been known to hallucinate as a result. Here's one claim. Also, hunger, stress, etc have been known to cause such seizures. He said he hadn't eaten, I'd say it was probably a little stressful being stuck in unfamiliar territory, etc. Not a doctor though, just throwing it out there. A friend used to see angels during his seizures.

Again, I was not stressed until the encounter. I sat in a tree and watched animals. It was new and interesting to me for a few hours,but being a kid it got boring very quickly.

The reason I did not share a stand with my friend is, his father probably new I was not seriously there to hunt. Plus the fact that my friend was only 16 years old. His father wanted him to hunt and not goof around with me all day. These "good old boys" were serious hunters. I was only there to experience the woods. Sure I had a gun, but I had no plans on using it. They did have luck and got their share of venison that weekend.

I have thought about the theory that I might have had some type of seizure. My only question would be, Why only then? I have never had another one BEFORE or SINCE that day. But who knows? maybe

 

[mikeyx]

Yawn. Excuse making from another footer. Been there, done that. Just curious, can bigfoot fly in the latest version of your story?

Wrong, he was put through the ringer by folks when he first came online and it's a touchy subject with him. You could stand to lighten up and be polite yourself.

 

[mikeyx]

You know nothing.

I think people like you are gasoline on the flame for people like John.

I dont believe him to be making it up as you are

1) Completely overlooking misidentification among other things
2) Attacking Kit on every other post

You really are not contributing JACK to this conversation

 

[WGBH]

They had no interest in trying to confirm their own theory such as looking for bear tracks in that area?

No, they had a deer to clean and dress. No they had no interest in my story, especially my friends father. In fact he screamed at me the entire time I was walking over there to look. Suffice it to say I did not spend much time looking.

 

[William Parcher]

Do you remain friends with these people to this day?

 

[Vortigern99]

WGBH, correct me if I'm off-base here, but it seems to me that several hours spent in isolation inside a cramped space, in an unfamiliar environment, while hungry and tired, can reasonably said to be a stressful situation. You say you don't specifically remember being stressed prior to your nausea and collapse, but isn't it at least possible that you did experience some stress inside the deer blind, which may have led or contributed to your nausea and collapse?

 

[WGBH]

Do you remain friends with these people to this day?

Absolutely not. It ruined my friendship. In fact, when my (ex) friend tried to embarass me about it in school later that year, I beat the crap out of him and got a suspension. They moved away 20 years ago anyway.

 

[WGBH]

WGBH, correct me if I'm off-base here, but it seems to me that several hours spent in isolation inside a cramped space, in an unfamiliar environment, while hungry and tired, can reasonably said to be a stressful situation. You say you don't specifically remember being stressed prior to your nausea and collapse, but isn't it at least possible that you did experience some stress inside the deer blind, which may have led or contributed to your nausea and collapse?

Sure it is possible. Unlikely, but possible.

 

[William Parcher]

So they are essentially unavailable to confirm or contradict your recollections from that day?

 

[atpeace]

JUST AN ASIDE:
For those lurking with encounters they’ve feared to post I have a comment with a hope for more posters.

There certainly are people who have unexpected things (bf related and other) happen to them every day that traumatize them and that they don‘t find the least bit funny. But for me, by and large by a landslide, the bf community/skeptic debate is composed of proponents actively seeking this creature, with woods/wildlife experience who smell ‘em, or hear ‘em, or see ‘em, with regularity. Who tout their “evidence” on public forums like it was inarguably sound and scientifically based, charge money to read their stories or experience an encounter, kick out the skeptics and ignore the skeptical questions, keep extremely questionable databases of sightings, among a host of other complaints. They are the ones that pollute encounters and they are the ones that yes, imo deserve ridicule. They pretty much ask for it with their insane methods and conclusions. I believe this also is a tactic to keep them in the spotlight.

And let’s face it, many of the liars and charlatans and storytellers are known and exposed. And as far as I am concerned are fair game.

On the other hand, I know some individuals personally who believe they have had sightings and the experience has traumatized them for various lengths of time yet, I have never attacked or made fun of their personal revelation to me and never will. I trust and respect them even if I find the possibility of said creature existing to be extremely looooooooooooooooow and :
-They hold on to their experience as a bf experience and for some reason won‘t let go of that for anything.
-I Believe other explanations might better explain what they witnessed
- Or, I am as completely baffled by what they describe as they are

However, they too (the ones I know who believe they have had an encounter) have absolutely no sympathy for the ones I described that make up the bulk of the encounter database and field reports and denounce their drivel vehemently and poke holes and fun at their claims constantly.

It is very rarely (imo an extremely small fraction of the entire bf phenomenon) about the personal revelations made by seemingly sane, sincere and real-live* individuals trying to make sense out of an experience (often an older experience) they’ve had but, when it is, I (and many others) do try to approach them differently, yet still skeptically and with lots of concerns and questions and “what about_______“.

But yes, sometimes sincere individuals will get slammed too, by not only by skeptics of bf’s existence but by those with encounters of their own too. It just goes with the territory. The evolution of the phenomenon itself has caused some sensitivity and some of the biggest “attackers” are the ones with their own encounters. They hit hard because they don’t want their experience made into the joke it has been by the fabricators and storytellers. In fact, I have heard them say the creature they sighted was not at all like the one so often (P/G influenced???) described. That interests me. I wish we’d hear more from them. Yes, it will be a little rough but I wish they’d speak up as bravely as WGBH.

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*Real-live as opposed to imaginary encounters experienced by fictitious characters and reported as having actually happened and been actually investigated Hey, word to the wise: you just cannot pass this stuff off on a generation of forum posters who can identify a person by their posts alone