BNP leaflet through my door

[ProdigalGuru]

Coloured?

Oh for heaven's sake, your whole position is built on a half-arsed pile of incomplete preconceptions. You seem to assume that if your son were to marry a coloured girl then somehow his culture would be diluted, without considering the social background of said girl. You likewise assume that being pure WASP in some way makes a difference to how one acts, thinks, funtions. Face it, you're mildly racist.

Not HIS culture, his son's, and my grandson's. And I never said I would not consider her social background. A lot of words keep getting shoved into my mouth. I merely stated a preference. I also never mentioned purity of race. I am not nearly as concerned about how my grandson would function, as I am about how society would function in regards to my grandson. It has been proven just in my 20 or so posts on this forum (specifically in the associated replies) that people jump to a LOT of conclusions with very little fact to back it. I would PREFER that my son's children not have to face any more of those assumptions than necessary.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I also defined killing, please try to keep up.

I know what killing is. One crucial, nay defining aspect of killing is, you know, killing. If you don't kill someone, you're not killing anyone.

There is nothing "random" about Muslim immigration.

Nor systematic. Nor does it involve killing anyone.

It would be one or more less babies born of the single heritage, ending that heritage one bit at a time, over generations.

What are the defining features of your "heritage"?

I have posted on this already. Feel free to look it up.

So, apparently you have no idea whether or not you are "Saxon".

I assume this is a rhetorical question?

Then you are completely wrong.

Regardless, it will not get answered here, to be ridiculed by you.

If you really don't want us to know what you're talking about, this end could most efficiently be achieved by not posting.

have already given a definition of racism, in the event you do not own a dictionary.

I know what racism is. This helps me to recognize it.

I also have more in common with people the same skin tone as me.

What?

Yup, Americans have never enforced a policy policing thought. However, this does not remove it from the scope of possibilities. All it would take is the invention of a "Thought Scanner".

And the shredding of the constitution.

 

[Damien Evans]

If the political party in question is racist I can understand you wanting to bin it immediately, but as an Australian who wants no more immigrants into my country I would be offended if I was branded racist.

I have no argument that controlled immigration assists the economies of most countries, but it is very bad for the environment, and although I can't speak for the USA, Australia is a very dry country and it simply can't carry anymore people sustainably.

True enough about the southern half, at least until we build better water infrastructure like the desal plant, but Eastern Queensland could still hold plenty more IMO.

 

[Damien Evans]

Scotland is underpopulated. We need more people. Roll up!

I have an atlas bought in the early 1960s that has a projection for Scotland to have 60 million people by 2000. Didn't happen. Of course I prefer new Scots to come with skills and other ways to contribute, but so long as they aren't actually criminal I think everyone is welcome.

Of course the main problem is depopulated areas and how (and even if) to repopulate them. There are so many rural areas that are desolate that should have had communities in them (compare Norway). More overcrowding in the poorer areas of the cities solves nothing. But basically, it's nice here, do join us. There's a nostalgic pleasure in imagining the descendants of the 19th century mass emigration deciding to come back, but realistically that probably isn't going to happen in large enough numbers.

So sure, make the move! And the BNP can go raffle themselves.

Rolfe. Going to vote SNP anyway.

I would move to Scotland in a heartbeat if it wasn't so cold. As it is I'd still like to one day spend a long holiday there, and I must play that old golf course near St Andrews...

 

[ProdigalGuru]

This is a good one

I know what killing is. One crucial, nay defining aspect of killing is, you know, killing. If you don't kill someone, you're not killing anyone. Unless you end them by political constraint, economic pressure, or other nefarious but non-lethal means over a longer period of time.

Nor systematic. Nor does it involve killing anyone. ORLY???? LOL!!!!

What are the defining features of your "heritage"? It is irrelevant to the discussion.

So, apparently you have no idea whether or not you are "Saxon". This is far from apparent. I know plenty about my culture and heritage. I simply choose not to share it with you. I prefer it not to be used against me or them.

Then you are completely wrong. Yet I still will not give you the opportunity to malign it.

If you really don't want us to know what you're talking about, this end could most efficiently be achieved by not posting. I cannot help your understanding or not. That would be for you to work out.

I know what racism is. This helps me to recognize it. Yes, it seems you have a very firm opinion. Facts are different, ask around.

What? It seemed a clear statement to me. I find it easier to identify.

And the shredding of the constitution.

OR an amendment. The document HAS changed a few times in the past.....

 

[Architect]

Not HIS culture, his son's, and my grandson's. And I never said I would not consider her social background. A lot of words keep getting shoved into my mouth. I merely stated a preference. I also never mentioned purity of race. I am not nearly as concerned about how my grandson would function, as I am about how society would function in regards to my grandson. It has been proven just in my 20 or so posts on this forum (specifically in the associated replies) that people jump to a LOT of conclusions with very little fact to back it. I would PREFER that my son's children not have to face any more of those assumptions than necessary.

You mean those assumptions cased by those with views similar to your own?

 

[The Don]

My family had lived in Britain for a very long time prior to our arrival here in the US (in fact many still do), and my family tree has been researched at length.

http://www.harlowfamily.com/info.htm
http://genforum.genealogy.com/harlow/

I would like to add that my views are in no way endorsed by my family, nor do I speak for them.

If, as you claim, you are descended from the Harlow family you do realise that if you go back 10 generations (roughly 250 years) and don't have any in-breeding, the Harlow element will account for about 0.1% of your genealogical heritage. The rest (99.9 %) could be anything.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

I find it hard to identify with Native Americans, for instance, as I have no frame of reference or common ideology.

That's probably because you are the kind of person who wouldn't want your son to marry one and bring them into the family.

 

[zooterkin]

We've also had the BNP leaflets delivered here in West Sussex. They've made me abandon my plan to deface my ballot and instead I'll be voting for a.n.other party that isn't a bunch of racist scumbags. I see we have a candidate from The Roman Party. Ave! ... but what have the Romans ever done for us?

Ah, that would explain why the BNP felt the need to have their puppet Billy Brit start their 'poem' about British Heroes with a verse about Boadicea...


ETA: I should warn that this may induce vomiting.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Unless you end them by political constraint, economic pressure, or other nefarious but non-lethal means over a longer period of time.

Let me explain this to you once more. Kiling people involves killing people. If you are not killing people, then you are not killing people. Killing involves killing.

ORLY???? LOL!!!!

Yes, really. This is why you are unable to produce any coherent argument to the contrary.

It is irrelevant to the discussion.

Then why did you mention it?

This is far from apparent.

Wrong. It is very apparent. Someone who can only trace his ancestry back to eighteenth century Britain has no idea what quantum of Norse or Celtic blood he may have.

I know plenty about my culture and heritage. I simply choose not to share it with you. I prefer it not to be used against me or them.

You are afraid that if you provide proof that you are a "Saxon", someone might take it out on the people of Saxony?

Paranoia comes in many strange forms.

Yet I still will not give you the opportunity to malign it.

If you are ashamed to describe your "culture", there is no need for me to "malign" it. Your cowardice speaks for itself.

I cannot help your understanding or not. That would be for you to work out.

As I have pointed out before, if you do not wish us to know what you are talking about, this is an end that you could most easily attain by silence.

If you are too ashamed and humiliated by your own opinions to state them in public, then what does that say about your opinions?

Yes, it seems you have a very firm opinion. Facts are different, ask around.

There's no need for me to ask: the participants on this thread appear to have already reached a consensus.

It seemed a clear statement to me. I find it easier to identify.

So, you're not going to answer the question?

Let me repeat it, just in case you ever manage to escape your disgusting and degrading cowardice, man up, and speak your mind.

What is it you feel that you have in common with people who have the same skin tone as you?

OR an amendment. The document HAS changed a few times in the past.....

But not, as yet, to deny citizens their freedom of thought.

But yes, certainly, if you and your kind can alter the constitution so as to deprive citizens of their freedom of thought, then you can pass laws enforcing Holocaust denial.

I'm sorry, did you describe yourself as an "American patriot"?

 

[Morrigan]

"I'm proud of my culture and my heritage!"
"Can you show evidence that this is even really your heritage?"
"I can, but I won't. But I take great pride in it!"
"Fine then. Can you tell us more about your culture, then ?"
"N-no! I will not. It might be used against me!"

Cognitive dissonance, folks?

 

[The Don]

Ah, that would explain why the BNP felt the need to have their puppet Billy Brit start their 'poem' about British Heroes with a verse about Boadicea...

ETA: I should warn that this may induce vomiting.

That was a parody, no ?

 

[Dr Adequate]

I also have more in common with people the same skin tone as me.

So I guess that out of the twins in the picture below, you have more in common with the one on the right?

By the way, can you explain to me the difference between their cultures?

 

[ProdigalGuru]

So I guess that out of the twins in the picture below, you have more in common with the one on the right?

[qimg]http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9877/twinsgr210206450x300.jpg[/qimg]

By the way, can you explain to me the difference between their cultures?

I have nothing in common with any of the people in your picture. The man in particular seems a very unpleasant sort, as he can not seem to muster a sincere smile around what appear to be his own beautiful children. He looks like he has anger and control issues. The woman seems pleasant enough.

I do feel a bit of sadness for the lighter skinned girl, as she will feel different from the rest of her family, and will likely be asked if she is adopted fairly often. She may also be subjected to bigotry by the older members of her family.

There is nothing wrong with racial pride. If a black man had said simply "I am proud to be black" we would not be having this conversation. But since I said I am proud to be white, and I would prefer my sons and grandsons to remain white, you call me a racist.

I can tell there is no convincing you otherwise so I am not going to bother trying.

My culture and heritage are just that , MINE. I can define them however I see fit, and I do not need to prove them nor justify my reasoning. I also will not let others use my heritage against me. If I claim Anglican or Saxon, or Roman, or any other heritage, it just gives the hate-speakers more ammo to throw in my face.

I in no way preach hate, but I AM allowed a personal preference. Anyone that says they have no preference, I call a liar or a mongrel.

Please put that in your pipe and smoke it, as I am done with it.

 

[ProdigalGuru]

That's probably because you are the kind of person who wouldn't want your son to marry one and bring them into the family.

You seem quite adept at misquoting and misleading. Is it a learned skill, or a born talent?

Anyways, I am done defending myself, call me what you will, as I no longer respect many opinions on this forum.

 

[Architect]

I have nothing in common with any of the people in your picture. The man in particular seems a very unpleasant sort, as he can not seem to muster a sincere smile around what appear to be his own beautiful children. He looks like he has anger and control issues. The woman seems pleasant enough.

I do feel a bit of sadness for the lighter skinned girl, as she will feel different from the rest of her family, and will likely be asked if she is adopted fairly often. She may also be subjected to bigotry by the older members of her family.

You can tell all that, with such certainty, from a photograph? How remarkable.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

You can tell all that, with such certainty, from a photograph? How remarkable.

Maybe he should apply for the MDC.

 

[Darat]

Actually, it's precisely what you did.

No it's not - my comments were directed at people that hold certain values - for example racists and the BNP in general.

 

[zooterkin]

That was a parody, no ?

Sadly, no.

 

[martu]

I have nothing in common with any of the people in your picture. The man in particular seems a very unpleasant sort, as he can not seem to muster a sincere smile around what appear to be his own beautiful children. He looks like he has anger and control issues. The woman seems pleasant enough.

I do feel a bit of sadness for the lighter skinned girl, as she will feel different from the rest of her family, and will likely be asked if she is adopted fairly often. She may also be subjected to bigotry by the older members of her family.

There is nothing wrong with racial pride. If a black man had said simply "I am proud to be black" we would not be having this conversation. But since I said I am proud to be white, and I would prefer my sons and grandsons to remain white, you call me a racist.

I can tell there is no convincing you otherwise so I am not going to bother trying.

My culture and heritage are just that , MINE. I can define them however I see fit, and I do not need to prove them nor justify my reasoning. I also will not let others use my heritage against me. If I claim Anglican or Saxon, or Roman, or any other heritage, it just gives the hate-speakers more ammo to throw in my face.

I in no way preach hate, but I AM allowed a personal preference. Anyone that says they have no preference, I call a liar or a mongrel.

Please put that in your pipe and smoke it, as I am done with it.

Yes you are allowed your own opinions on these matters in fact we'd defend your rights to hold them. However when you espouse them on a public forum prepare to defend them. You can't can you? This is what frustrates you because you know it is an indefensible position when it comes up against logic. Some racists are stupid, they wouldn't accept the arguments, but I get the feeling you can follow them through but still choose to be a bigot. Well that's your right, enjoy it but I hope for our sake's that your children choose differently.