Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

[mikeyx]

Spektator wrote:



Thanks, Spektator. I just added that to my growing list of... "Roger's Lucky Roll"..........a.k.a......Roger's "Magical Mystery Illusion Tour".



"Step right this way!!" ....... [qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/GeorgeJefferson1.gif[/qimg]

just curious when is the last time our obsessed hind end actually go out into the woods to look and not obsess on old news?

 

[kitakaze]

I will now make Sweaty dance (more)...

"Ooops" for "skepticism"!


Edited to add:

"If the fingers bend....you must pretend!!"

Simple question - Pretend what?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhQ1Y3EqyN0

 

[Blackdog]

just curious when is the last time our obsessed hind end actually go out into the woods to look and not obsess on old news?

He'll get to it soon...he promises.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Sweaty, the angles might not be an exact match, that could cause more of the shadowed area being shown in the dolls hand. However, comparing the two Patty images, there is more exposure of a shadowed area in one frame vs. the next, this would indicate some rotation.

I'll look into that theory, later.

Sweaty, weren't you the one who argued just as vehemently about the Memorial Day Footage, you took a few frames claiming it "Groweth under it's own power!"?

I remember...

you kept igoring requests to post the frames immediately afterwards, that showed it was an illusion caused by the figure passing in front of a dark spot.

You remember wrong, wolftrax.


I haven't refused, or failed, to post frames of the subject/lifted object from after the lift, at all.

In fact, I have posted a bunch of frames from that part of the video....(after the lift)....including an animated-gif, or two, showing the lifted object moving.

Weren't you banned from the BFF? What was the reason?

Yes, I was. As for the specific reason....I don't recall exactly what it was I said that pushed them over the edge.

All I know is that.....they didn't like me very much.

 

[kitakaze]

kitakaze wrote;




[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty/GooGooGaaGaa9999.gif[/qimg]



and, kitakaze wrote:




Sure, let's start at the bottom......with kitakaze......

Please point out in that post you where I say that the effect is responsible for what may be happening with Patty's fingers. AFAIC, like I said to log...

Concept - the fingers of the suit might be moving because they have fingers in them.

I'm movin' on up!

 

[Blackdog]

He'll get to it soon...he promises.

I'll look into that theory, later.

My timing was PERFECT!




Thank you, thank you.................

 

[kitakaze]

I'll look into that theory, later.

Read: never. Individually coloring, fonting, sizing, etc text is time consuming and much more amusing for Sweaty than actually dealing with arguments and engaging in real debate.

All I know is that.....they didn't like me very much.

As was the case at SFB. Considering you're a Bigfoot enthusiast, that's pretty impressive. Any idea why that is?

 

[wolftrax]

Thanks Spektator & Kitakaze for the compliments.

Blackdog & Rock, don't worry brothers... you both are great people...

Sweaty, no I don't think I remember incorrectly, I kept asking you to show the frames right after the "Rise", and you never seemed to do it, but that was ok because I grabbed the frames myself and showed it was just a dark spot in the background. You were very resistant to it, though, and took it very personally as you do now about this stuff...

I also seem to recall Paul saying you were banned from the BFF for being a pathological liar... I don't know but am just curious what the deal was.

 

[GT/CS]

Thanks Spektator & Kitakaze for the compliments.

Blackdog & Rock, don't worry brothers... you both are great people...

Sweaty, no I don't think I remember incorrectly, I kept asking you to show the frames right after the "Rise", and you never seemed to do it, but that was ok because I grabbed the frames myself and showed it was just a dark spot in the background. You were very resistant to it, though, and took it very personally as you do now about this stuff...

I also seem to recall Paul saying you were banned from the BFF for being a pathological liar... I don't know but am just curious what the deal was.

Sounds like Paul is a good judge of character, or lack thereof.

 

[Astrophotographer]

I also seem to recall Paul saying you were banned from the BFF for being a pathological liar... I don't know but am just curious what the deal was.

Hmmm.....I don't know about the "liar" part but he sure is habitual in his avoidance to answer questions and repost the same images/myths that have been exposed to be inaccurate long ago.

 

[kitakaze]

I also seem to recall Paul saying you were banned from the BFF for being a pathological liar... I don't know but am just curious what the deal was.

Intellectually dishonest are the words I would use. Sweaty does from time to time tell a lie he knows is not true. Here are some examples:

Remember....this is JREF......

....."Where NOTHING means ANYTHING!"

(Except for 'Proof', that is.)

Sweaty tells this lie often. Everytime he does he his told that he is lying and that in regards to Bigfoot, outside of proof reliable evidence or even just some unambiguous video would be great and would not mean nothing.

In a VERY LARGE Universe (which is, for all practical purposes, limitless).....it's only people with very small minds who laugh at the possibilities of life outside of the Earth.

kitakaze would be one of those folks.

Sweaty knows that I in no way laugh at the idea of there being life beyond our Earth or even having existed or still be present in some form on Mars. He would like to try and present me as being unreasonable so he told that lie.

I have NEVER refused to answer a question....and I NEVER will.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3482524&postcount=12136

This is the lie that Sweaty will argue the most and become the most semantic in terms of the way he quibbles. Actions speak louder than words and as is very easily observable, Sweaty does indeed refuse to answer questions regarding Bigfoot among other things. As is always the case, Sweaty will say that he doesn't refuse to answer questions and in response invite others to ask a question. Very quickly a question will arise that he will not answer.

 

[Astrophotographer]

As is always the case, Sweaty will say that he doesn't refuse to answer questions and in response invite others to ask a question. Very quickly a question will arise that he will not answer.

I am still waiting for the answer to my latest question.

 

[kitakaze]

I am still waiting for the answer to my latest question.

He's still looking. It's all a matter of finding one that doesn't immediately explode with ridiculousness, hence the long wait.

Here's a perfect example of Sweaty refusing to answer a ridiculously easy question requiring only a simple number to answer that Sweaty continuously refuses to answer even after all this time and being asked by people he can't use the sewage excuse (which is hilarious considering how rude Sweaty is to other people who are not rude to him, e.g. - neltana):

1) When confidently pronouncing that "Patty's arms are clearly longer than a human's arms, proportionally speaking," what was your sample base? IOW, how many humans did you compare to?

Enough humans, for my liking.

That was four months ago and Sweaty is still refusing to answer it.

 

[makaya325]

Sweaty, here is a clip of a gorilla costume

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP...A9AD8681&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12

Notice the muscle movements on the costume while fighting the bear?

 

[makaya325]

He's still looking. It's all a matter of finding one that doesn't immediately explode with ridiculousness, hence the long wait.

Here's a perfect example of Sweaty refusing to answer a ridiculously easy question requiring only a simple number to answer that Sweaty continuously refuses to answer even after all this time and being asked by people he can't use the sewage excuse (which is hilarious considering how rude Sweaty is to other people who are not rude to him, e.g. - neltana):



That was four months ago and Sweaty is still refusing to answer it.

This reminds me Kitz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3gdxkaJLI&feature=related

belive it or not, George isnt at home
please leave a message.. at the beep
I must be out, or i pick up the phone..
where could I be?
belive it or not i'm not home..

Jerry: I know your screening your calls for Astro, Sweaty.

 

[Vortigern99]

Sweaty, here is a clip of a gorilla costume

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP...A9AD8681&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12

Notice the muscle movements on the costume while fighting the bear?

Calling that thing a "gorilla suit" is like saying "Patty" is supposed to be an orangutan. It's clearly a biped with human proportions and a human-like face, and not intended to be an ape at all. There's nothing "gorilla" about it except the presence of fur, which at any rate is much longer and shaggier than any gorilla's.

"Bigfoot vs. Bear" would be a more accurate title.

Note that this quibble takes nothing away from the observation of realistic muscle movement on the suited figure.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

I never read ( or really intend to) Long's book but after reading the published warrant by apeman@BFF, it appears that RP was in fact arrested. ( the warrant is signed as served and thats an arrest warrant- not a notice to appear or summons)

Is anyone aware of what happened after this?

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

As is always the case, Sweaty will say that he doesn't refuse to answer questions and in response invite others to ask a question.

Very quickly a question will arise that he will not answer.

More BS from Cap'n Sewer.


There are plenty of questions I have not answered....but none that I have ever refused to answer.


Invitation time......


To show, yet again, that there is no Bigfoot question that I am afraid to answer, or will refuse to answer......I'll take time now to answer anybody's alleged "refused" questions.


I'll number them, and answer them before I get back to the more recent posts I was planning on responding to.



But first....there is this one response to wolftrax, about the MD Video...


wolftrax wrote:

Sweaty, no I don't think I remember incorrectly, I kept asking you to show the frames right after the "Rise", and you never seemed to do it, but that was ok because I grabbed the frames myself and showed it was just a dark spot in the background.

You were very resistant to it, though....

I'm not resistant to looking at any frames of the MD Video.

There are a couple of frames, right after the lift, in which the subject/lifted object do appear dimmer, or faded, in intensity.
But, right after those 2 or 3 frames, the subject and lifted object become just as dark as they were before.
The reason for that is most likely that the subject passed behind some type of light-colored plant growth, located on the berm (closer in the foreground), that's obscuring the lower half of the subject.


The fact of the matter is....there are 2 separate pieces of evidence, showing definitively, that there was a lifted object, of some kind.

1) The sudden, and very distinct, increase in the subject's height.

and...

2) In ALL of the frames after the lift...the subject's head is shaped differently than it is in ALL of the frames before the lift, from the start of the video.
The reason for this is very simple....there is a lifted object, placed either on the subject's head, or on it's shoulders.

(I think it's an infant placed on the shoulders.

)


You can happily ignore these facts, wolftrax, and believe "it's all an illusion", caused by ONE stationary dark spot in the background.....but you're only kidding yourself.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Here's question #1...

Originally Posted by kitakaze
1) When confidently pronouncing that "Patty's arms are clearly longer than a human's arms, proportionally speaking," what was your sample base? IOW, how many humans did you compare to?

Enough humans, for my liking.

That was four months ago and Sweaty is still refusing to answer it. [/quote]


I haven't refused to answer that question. I've failed to answer it because it's an irrelevant question, to the comparisons I've made between Patty's arm length and a few other people's arm lengths.

The comparisons stand on their own....regardless of how many other people I have, or have not, made comparisons with.



But I'll answer it, anyway...to show that your accusation is false, and just another bubbling-up of your sewage.

You are...indeed...the 'Sewer Meister', kitty.


The answer.....................believe it or not..................................here it comes...........................drum roll please.......................................................ready???.............okay........................this is it.........................................................ummmmmmmm.............................


3 (I think)

 

[kitakaze]

This is the lie that Sweaty will argue the most and become the most semantic in terms of the way he quibbles. Actions speak louder than words and as is very easily observable, Sweaty does indeed refuse to answer questions regarding Bigfoot among other things. As is always the case, Sweaty will say that he doesn't refuse to answer questions and in response invite others to ask a question. Very quickly a question will arise that he will not answer.

I feel like Babe Ruth...

I haven't refused to answer that question. I've failed to answer it because it's an irrelevant question, to the comparisons I've made between Patty's arm length and a few other people's arm lengths.

Quibbles n' bits.

Really, Sweaty, help those of us who don't have your vice-like grip on semantics understand what the difference between refusing to answer a question for four months because you think it's relevant and failing to answer the question because you think it's irrelevant.

When you say that Patty's arms are longer than a human's in proportion, the sample base of human's you've compared to to make the claim valid is the most relevant thing of all.

The comparisons stand on their own....regardless of how many other people I have, or have not, made comparisons with.

And then fall down when they see this...

Patty's arm length can be equal to the arm length of a person who has been unlucky enough to become engulfed in ratty, re-cycled carpeting.

Astrophotographer found a difference of a maximum 1 - 2 inches between Bob's arm out of a suit and Patty's arm. Patty's arm is 26 inches from armpit to fingertips and 35 inches from the shoulder to fingertips. this is in comparison to Astro's measurements of his own body which are 30 and 36 inches respectively with a height of 6'4". Put that in reference to Bob Heironimus' height of 6'2" out of a suit. Astro found that Patty would have had a standing height of roughly 6 feet. Check both these links...

Patty arm length and height measurement of 6ft courtesy Astrophotographer:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571927&postcount=13474

Patty proportion measurements courtesy Astrophotographer:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3844448&postcount=14692

That destroys your comparisons with your own methods and actual detailed measurments. Comparing Patty to Bob out of a suit is neato but comparing Patty to Bob in a couple of suits where his hands are in the gloves and he's in the same position as Patty is the most powerful evidence of all.

But I'll answer it, anyway...to show that your accusation is false, and just another bubbling-up of your sewage.

You are...indeed...the 'Sewer Meister', kitty.


The answer.....................believe it or not..................................here it comes...........................drum roll please.......................................................ready???.............okay........................this is it.........................................................ummmmmmmm.............................


3 (I think)

Thank you for finally answering that question you were so loathe to answer for the last four months. It's obvious why you were so resistant to answering it. Three humans. Wow. All it took for you to boldly pronounce that Patty has proportionally longer arms than a human was three people. Wow. Very stringent analysis. LOL! You have the most severe case of confirmation bias ever. So BH and Jim McClaren is two. Who's three?