Naudet Documentary On Google Video

Pardalis said:
You got to ask yourself these questions:


How many people owned a video camera in the New York City area in september 2001?
How many of those people were in and around Manhattan on september 11?
How many of those people were using their camera that morning?
How many of those people would raise their camera to the sky when an unfamiliar loud jet engine roar would pass by?
How many of those people would catch the World Trade Center towers in their camera's field of vision?
How many of them would catch the impact?


I think it's statistically quite possible the Naudets would catch the event as they did, without involving them in a conspiracy.
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So how many caught the plane flying into the face of the north tower on video? A clean shot. How many?
 
Actually, wIth all the tourists in Manhattan and their video cameras, I'm surprised this is the only video of the first impact.

Coincidence?

:covereyes
 
KreeL said:
So how many caught the plane flying into the face of the north tower on video? A clean shot. How many?
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It appears to be one. But as I said, it's not impossible. I would have expected a little more, actually.

And it wasn't that clear of a shot either.

ETA: and with the advance of video phone technology, I would expect to find increasingly more of these coincidences today.
 
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Pardalis said:
It appears to be one. But as I said, it's not impossible.

And it wasn't that clear of a shot either.
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There are actually two that were caught of the first impact. One was a webcamera if I recal correctly that tooks still images (I don't remember who posted it here but it was posted a while back) and the Naudet brothers footage...
 
KreeL said:
No. I am unlike you in that regard. But premonition being evident in the film, wouldn't that clue you in that the coincidences were a farce also? Being that you seem to understand logic, I was wanting your take on that aspect.
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You are very unlike me, as you believe in nonsense while I rely on facts. What seems to be a coincidence to people who don't reflect much on what they're seeing is usually something far more commonplace. Who knows how many documentaries, amateur and professional, were filmed at the World Trade Center? Hundreds? Thousands? One of them was being shot while something of historic significance was happening. You desperately want to call it a coincidence to bolster a hopelessly flawed view of reality. It's really nothing of the sort.
 
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There is also the possibility of very unlikely "fluke" coincidences, which is still not impossible.

Like this:



Was there a conspiracy to kill the bird, Kreel?
 
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So if thousands of video cameras are everywhere is NYC, - where's the video of the airplane crash in Queens two months later?
 
The crash of AA11 into WTC1 was recorded by the following people:

1. Jules Naudet (+ audio, + video)
2. Pavel Hlava (- audio, + video)
3. Wolfgang Staehle (- audio, + video, streamed realtime as still images)
4. Dick Oliver/WNYW crew (+ audio, - video)
5. Ginny Carr (+ audio, - video)

Pre-impact video of the WTC was also broadcast live on 9/11 on CBS (the Early Show), maybe by other stations as well. John Labriola took some pre-impact photos of the WTC on 9/11, just minutes before the crash of AA11. There was also a live webcam from the ESB that streamed on the internet and possibly picked up video of AA11 and its crash. I have framegrabs of the ESB webcam broadcasting the WTC after the crash of UA175.
 
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KreeL said:
Not a chance. That's wasn't just one coincidence. That was dozens of coincidences rolled up into one unbelievable package. I believe in the old thread given here by a poster earlier that Mr(s) Leslie and Ubinger reported 60+(?) coincidences?

Far too many to even be considered 'luck' by a rational human being. How many coincidences does it take for you to doubt the validity of any story?
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Dude, you need to understand coincidence and randomness better. If you're driving along a mountain road, and you pass thru a section which says 'caution, loose rock', it doesn't mean you'll get hit with a boulder. But you have a much higher probability than someone sitting back home watching TV.

If you get nailed, it's called a coincidence. But you still had to be there to get hit.

Got it? That's the way life is. Not every strange thing that happens is part of a witches spell or a conspiracy. That kind of thinking ruled in the dark ages. This ain't the dark ages anymore.....is it?'

Besides, you still haven't elucidated a reasonable motive (backed by any real research) as to why in hell the Naudet's would be part of some kind of conspiracy, or how it would have made a damn bit of difference to the tragedy.

You've still got nothin'.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
There are actually two that were caught of the first impact. One was a webcamera if I recal correctly that tooks still images (I don't remember who posted it here but it was posted a while back) and the Naudet brothers footage...
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Three. The Naudet Bros., Wolfgang Staehle (the webcam) and Pavel Hlava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Hlava


Now then Kreel, You posted...

KreeL said:
Not a chance. That's wasn't just one coincidence. That was dozens of coincidences rolled up into one unbelievable package. I believe in the old thread given here by a poster earlier that Mr(s) Leslie and Ubinger reported 60+(?) coincidences?

Far too many to even be considered 'luck' by a rational human being. How many coincidences does it take for you to doubt the validity of any story?
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I'd like you to meet Sheba.


She's one of the rescue cats here. In Oct. of last year the Vet told us that her liver had failed and gave her two weeks to live. She's still alive. Now a reasonable person would simply say that the vet was mistaken... BUT... there's more!! We've lost 12 cats, one dog, and one sheep since then. Every time one dies Sheba runs around like a kitten...

According to your logic Sheba is a vampire cat....

That's why you're wrong. Your logic is flawed.
 
I see no crash in that video.

Where's the video taken by a tourist of FL77 hitting the Pentagon. Thousands of hand held video cameras everywhere in D.C., and surely you understand that the Pentagon is one of the most filmed structures in the world, right?
 
KreeL said:
I see no crash in that video.
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:jaw-dropp You're either blind or lying.

Where's the video taken by a tourist of FL77 hitting the Pentagon. Thousands of hand held video cameras everywhere in D.C., and surely you understand that the Pentagon is one of the most filmed structures in the world, right?
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According to whom?
 
KreeL said:
I see no crash in that video.

Where's the video taken by a tourist of FL77 hitting the Pentagon. Thousands of hand held video cameras everywhere in D.C., and surely you understand that the Pentagon is one of the most filmed structures in the world, right?
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Before anyone responds, think of poor KreeL: Those goalposts aren't going to move themselves, now are they?
 
And Kreel's argument from ignorance continues

Its Manhattan, With a population of 1,634,795 How many coincidences do you suppose happen there in one day? at the time pre 9/11/2001 what was the most instantly recognized building worldwide? and what were the chances the WTC would be used as a backdrop? You know little about NYC Kreel, or its people and it shows. again, the ignorance. When I worked there, there were many many many locations even in midtown where you could easily see the trade center towers. I just finished watching 911 (again) Kreel and have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot.
 
Guys I have told you....

If it can't be found on youtube or google video, then obviously it doesn't exist. I mean every single person who might have been filming the pentagon at 930AM in the morning, would OBVIOUSLY have put it on youtube, right????

oh my....

TAM:)
 
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