no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[Reheat]

Just to be accurate;
There are places in this country that "turning off the transponder" will make you invisible. Flight 93 flew through one of those areas. The US is a big country and no, radar coverage is not seamless. As far as the "truthers" claims go, Total BS.

Just to really be accurate the primary radar return was always present on radar, it's only that the specific sector (controller) working the aircraft at Indianapolis could not see it.

Rather than getting into technicalities about it, consider it a data processing issue, not a radar issue at all. At the time the FAA was starting to implement ATC Center Sectors with no primary capability at the radar display. Since a transponder was/is REQUIRED in Class A airspace (above 18,000' MSL) and if an aircraft loses it's transponder it MUST exit Class A airspace and since that Sector only worked high altitude traffic (on Jet Routes above 18,000' MSL) it made sense.

Remember Indianapolis Center did not know about the events in NY yet, so they were concerned about an aircraft loss, not one that had turned around and headed the other way. By the time they realized the REAL SITUATION AA77 was several hundred miles East of it's last known position.

After the fact, AA77's entire track from Dulles to just short of the Pentagon can be plotted via radar returns.

 

[fezzic]

What is an NSA CRITIC?

To the best of my limited understanding a CRITIC is a high priority message on the or a CRITICal intelligence communication network. As might be inferred, sometimes something needs to get through, right away, to recipients who might be able to act on it or the intell might be highly perishable.

 

[Audible Click]

Thanks for the info. I've asked this question in a few other threads and get the impression that nobody is quite sure what it is.

 

[ULTIMA1]

What is an NSA CRITIC?

To the best of my limited understanding a CRITIC is a high priority message on the or a CRITICal intelligence communication network. As might be inferred, sometimes something needs to get through, right away, to recipients who might be able to act on it or the intell might be highly perishable.

Yes you are correct.

I have an FOiA request to get a NSA Critic declassified.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Can you please provide serial numbers for these

I never stated they were from a specific plane. If i had then i would find the serial numbers.


Unlike Beachnut who stated the wheel at the Pentagon was from AA778 but cannot post any information on serial numbers or any other evidence when asked.

 

[Gavron]

You mean the serial numbers gathered by the FBI? Those numbers that are on the official reports, which have not been released yet?!?

 

[Jackanory]

I never stated they were from a specific plane. If i had then i would find the serial numbers.


Unlike Beachnut who stated the wheel at the Pentagon was from AA778 but cannot post any information on serial numbers or any other evidence when asked.

Roger - In lieu of the FBI or NTSB ever feeling the need to release a list of serial numbers to parts found at the scene, have you bothered to contact Boeing to see if they can furnish you with a complete list of parts and serial numbers that make up the entire aircraft. This will be needed for your confirmation/verification process at a later date, once the FBI/NTSB do/dont release a list just for you.

This thread need never have been started. It certainly should have ceased at post number 5.

 

[BenBurch]

Yes you are correct.

I have an FOiA request to get a NSA Critic declassified.

And no proof it ever existed. But you can flog an FOIA for it.

Heck, I should file an FOIA for the Ark of The Covenant because that would automatically prove that it exists and that the US Government has it.

 

[beachnut]

I never stated they were from a specific plane. If i had then i would find the serial numbers.


Unlike Beachnut who stated the wheel at the Pentagon was from AA778 but cannot post any information on serial numbers or any other evidence when asked.

The landing gear is from Flight 77. The DNA was proved to be from Flight 77 Passengers. The FDR was from Flight 77, and it was proved. Flight 77 was tracked by RADAR to the impact at the Pentagon.

Ultima1 will never present any evidence to prove the landing was not from 77, or the DNA was not the Passengers. He can't prove the FDR was not from 77.

So we presented evidence serial numbers are not needed to identify an aircraft crash scene; the NTSB said so. Ultima1 said so in his post where he, by mistake, posted the NTSB saying serial numbers are not needed but he has a massive comprehension problem understanding what he posts or reads, if he actual read his posts completely.

Ultima1 was is the ultimate self debunker.

 

[stateofgrace]

I never stated they were from a specific plane. If i had then i would find the serial numbers.


Unlike Beachnut who stated the wheel at the Pentagon was from AA778 but cannot post any information on serial numbers or any other evidence when asked.

This is NOT what I asked, This is what I asked.

Can you please provide serial numbers for these

http://www.yellowairplane.com/Adven...A-4_Skyhawk_Landing_Gear_Crashed_Airplane.jpg


http://media.lvrj.com/images/2808841.jpg


If not, why not?

Was the reason these planes crashed determined by the serial numbers of these parts?

Was the identity of these planes determined by the serial numbers of these parts or some other means?

Please answer the questions and provide the serial numbers of the plane parts I have posted.I have bolded the part where you say you can provide serial numbers, please do so for the parts in the photographs.

If you cannot or unwilling to do so then please be adult enough to admit that the serial numbers of these parts are completely irrelevant in identifying the planes they came from and the reason they crashed.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Roger - In lieu of the FBI or NTSB ever feeling the need to release a list of serial numbers to parts found at the scene,
have you bothered to contact Boeing to see if they can furnish you with a complete list of parts and serial numbers that make up the entire aircraft.

I have filed a FOIA request with the NTSB to find out about serial numbers being used to verify the ID of a plane for a criminal investigation.

 

[ULTIMA1]

If you cannot or unwilling to do so then please be adult enough to admit that the serial numbers of these parts are completely irrelevant in identifying the planes they came from and the reason they crashed.[/FONT][/COLOR]

I am still waiting for the wheel at the Pentagon to be matched to AA77 as poeple on here have stated. I guess they are not adult enough to admit they are wrong.

Were the aircraft parts pictured part of a criminal investigation? If not then serial numbers my not be needed to ID the plane if it was just an accident.

I have a FOIA request filed with the NTSB to get information on serial numbers used to ID planes in a criminal investigation.

 

[ULTIMA1]

The landing gear is from Flight 77. .

Show me verifibale proof that the landing gear is from AA77.


DNA, RADAR and FDR will not be acccepted as proof.

 

[ULTIMA1]

And no proof it ever existed. But you can flog an FOIA for it.

Please stop the lies. I have proof that it exist.

If you would read the posts on the thread you would have seen the documnet is being reviewed by agencies to declassify it.

 

[stateofgrace]

Were the aircraft parts pictured part of a criminal investigation? If not then serial numbers my not be needed to ID the plane if it was just an accident.

So if a plane crashes, they don't match serial numbers to parts? I didn't know that, so how do they determine which part of the plane caused the crash if they don't ID parts of plane?

Not being an aircraft accident investigator, I am curious about this. Are you saying that a because an aircraft crashes by accident then there is no need to match up plane parts? How do they determine the cause of the accident if they don't? There is no need to trace the history of plane parts via the serial numbers?

How do they know that it was an accident and not a criminal incident without examining the plane parts? How was it determined that the parts in the photoghraghs did not contribute to the accident?

I didn't say they IDed these planes by the serial numbers, I want you to find me the serial numbers or tell me where to find them.

 

[ULTIMA1]

So if a plane crashes, they don't match serial numbers to parts?

ONLY if its an accident, If its a criminal investigation then more information is needed to verify the ID of the plane

I didn't know that, so how do they determine which part of the plane caused the crash if they don't ID parts of plane?

They would once they found out what the cause of the ACCIDENT was.

Not being an aircraft accident investigator, I am curious about this. Are you saying that a because an aircraft crashes by accident then there is no need to match up plane parts?

NO i did not say this.

I stated that serial numbers must be used to verify the ID of the plane in a criminal investigation.

I want you to find me the serial numbers or tell me where to find them.

Best way to find the serial numbers is from the FAA.

 

[stateofgrace]

ONLY if its an accident, If its a criminal investigation then more infomration is needed to verify the ID of the plane

They would once they found out what the cause of the ACCIDENT was.

NO i did not say this.

I stated that serial numbers must be used to verify the ID of the plane in a criminal investigation.

Serial numbers must be used to ID the plane in a criminal investigation only, right?

Serial numbers of every part must be used, right?

Serial numbers are not matched to parts if it is an accident, right ?

Care to source this?

 

[ULTIMA1]

I am correct in stating that the OP asked for identification numbers on flight 77 an none have been offered as identification.

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Care to source this?

I have sent an FOIA request to the NTSB to get information on serial numbers needed for a criminal investigation.

 

[stateofgrace]

I have sent an FOIA request to the NTSB to get information on serial numbers needed for a criminal investigation.

Really ? So when you said

ONLY if its an accident, If its a criminal investigation then more information is needed to verify the ID of the plane


I stated that serial numbers must be used to verify the ID of the plane in a criminal investigation.

Where did you get this information from?

Best way to find the serial numbers is from the FAA.

Really?

So is there a reason you have not done so? What is stopping you from contacting them and asking for the serial number for the landing gear? Why keep demanding for serial numbers on an internet forum when you already know the best way to find them ?

 

[FineWine]

Show me verifibale proof that the landing gear is from AA77.


DNA, RADAR and FDR will not be acccepted as proof.

Fabulous stuff! Literally.


What sort of mind can produce such a sentence?

"DNA, RADAR, and FDR will not be accepted as proof."

Just fabulous.