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Well?
It doesn't without the maintenance records.
What's the problem with your official complete and thorough investigation?
Do you even know it or just assume it?
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no serial numbers were identified from flight 77
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Well?
It doesn't without the maintenance records.
What's the problem with your official complete and thorough investigation?
Do you even know it or just assume it?
In other words, for some reason what the debunkers do hurts you deep down inside, and you would like us to help you find out why. Do you have any questions you would like me to answer? Maybe I could help you accomplish an important task which you are having a hard time with?
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I don't have anything I think you can answer.
However the OP has a question.
Have you answered it yet?
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Well, without serial numbers we can't be sure that the NWO didn't fly the planes to a secret location, put the passengers on different planes and then fly those different planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. For that matter, the passengers could still be alive in a secret prison somewhere.
Oh god it hurts to try to think like a truther.
You have no idea what the OP means unless you ask someone who knows.
You can't furnish knowledge you furnish delusions and failed ideas.
So do you have a source that tells us what serial numbers are needed for on 911?
Can you tell me why we need to have serial numbers for planes we know crashed in each place and proved to be the real planes with real people?
What regulations says we need serial numbers for what happen on 911?
The fact is when 911Truth brings up serial numbers they have no clue what they are talking about. It is the red flag for lacking knowledge on 911.
Got some evidence to tell everyone why serial numbers are needed? No you have some idiotic ideas from dolts in the 911Truth movement who said so and you repeat their failed poppycock.
Now you will post nothing but talk again, and again and never tell us why serial numbers are needed. You can't - the action of 911Truth, can't
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How would someone know if there were no serialized parts identified unless they had complete access to all the investigation records, and had examined every page and every box of recovered parts?
Another road block to this questionable claim is that most parts are NOT serialized to the plane, save for the flight recorders perhaps, and identifiable structural part number stenciling are routinely painted over during the production process.
I am a manufacturing engineer for a company that manufacturers all of the 747 fuselage panels. The last thing we do is paint the entire panel assembly with that green FR primer just before we ship. The identifying numbers of 10's of thousands of parts that make up the panel assembly are wiped out. If Boeing's process specs are the same among all products then the 757 fuselage would have had the same treatment.
Another road block to this questionable claim is that most parts are NOT serialized to the plane, save for the flight recorders perhaps, and identifiable structural part number stenciling are routinely painted over during the production process.
I am a manufacturing engineer for a company that manufacturers all of the 747 fuselage panels. The last thing we do is paint the entire panel assembly with that green FR primer just before we ship. The identifying numbers of 10's of thousands of parts that make up the panel assembly are wiped out. If Boeing's process specs are the same among all products then the 757 fuselage would have had the same treatment.
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You seem to be the one with the problem.
You should get off your ass and get in the faces of those you feel have wronged us.
But you won't.
Sitting on your expanding ass and trolling JREF is doing this country good.
I'll put you in for a bleedin medal.
Edx, although you could find it using the search funtion, I'll explain one more time why part serial number are generally collected by Investigators the during an ACCIDENT (key word here) Investigation.
The NTSB examines parts to determine if those parts might have been the cause or contributed to the accident. Some parts have serial numbers, some don't. Also, there are critical time change parts that airline maintenance are suppose to change on a schedule. Occasionally, the FAA or the AF (for AF Aircraft) mandates parts changes due to known problems. The FAA issues ADs while the AF issues TCTOs for this.
Consequently, Accident Investigators need those serial numbers to determine if an AD or TCTO needs to be issued in case that part contributed to the accident. As well, they determine if the Airline or AF Maintenance changed the time change part on schedule.
Neither agency records part numbers to identify the aircraft as that is normally already known by other means.
The aircraft involved in 9/11 were NOT ACCIDENTS, they were deliberate intentional crashes. Therefore, the FBI not the NTSB was the lead investigating agency. The investigations were NOT Accident Investigations, but Criminal Investigations. I don't think anyone knows if the FBI recorded any part numbers, but there seem to be none in the public record.
This is a common troofer "gotcha" as they know no part numbers are in the public domain. They then either imply or directly say "this indicates someone has something to hide" or it's evidence of "an inside jobby job".
This stuff originated with George Nelson, Col, USAF Retired who issued a statement to include much of what I've stated above. However, he embellished the story with "trutherisms" to imply that it was very suspicious that these part serial numbers were not recorded indicating nefarious action.
Nelson's opinion is in part due to his Vietnam experience in which some aircraft were only identified by part serial numbers. These would include those aircraft not in formation, with a single pilot, or a case in which all crew members were killed. Frequently, there was no other way to identify the aircraft because most of the flying was in a non-radar environment, most AF combat aircraft do not have an FDR on board, and DNA identification did not exist.
Your best argument is to demand the Regulation/Instruction that specifies that part numbers are specifically used to prove aircraft identity or that these serial numbers in any way are required to identify a crashed aircraft. Troofer opinions don't count to include George Nelson's implications.
The NTSB examines parts to determine if those parts might have been the cause or contributed to the accident. Some parts have serial numbers, some don't. Also, there are critical time change parts that airline maintenance are suppose to change on a schedule. Occasionally, the FAA or the AF (for AF Aircraft) mandates parts changes due to known problems. The FAA issues ADs while the AF issues TCTOs for this.
Consequently, Accident Investigators need those serial numbers to determine if an AD or TCTO needs to be issued in case that part contributed to the accident. As well, they determine if the Airline or AF Maintenance changed the time change part on schedule.
Neither agency records part numbers to identify the aircraft as that is normally already known by other means.
The aircraft involved in 9/11 were NOT ACCIDENTS, they were deliberate intentional crashes. Therefore, the FBI not the NTSB was the lead investigating agency. The investigations were NOT Accident Investigations, but Criminal Investigations. I don't think anyone knows if the FBI recorded any part numbers, but there seem to be none in the public record.
This is a common troofer "gotcha" as they know no part numbers are in the public domain. They then either imply or directly say "this indicates someone has something to hide" or it's evidence of "an inside jobby job".
This stuff originated with George Nelson, Col, USAF Retired who issued a statement to include much of what I've stated above. However, he embellished the story with "trutherisms" to imply that it was very suspicious that these part serial numbers were not recorded indicating nefarious action.
Nelson's opinion is in part due to his Vietnam experience in which some aircraft were only identified by part serial numbers. These would include those aircraft not in formation, with a single pilot, or a case in which all crew members were killed. Frequently, there was no other way to identify the aircraft because most of the flying was in a non-radar environment, most AF combat aircraft do not have an FDR on board, and DNA identification did not exist.
Your best argument is to demand the Regulation/Instruction that specifies that part numbers are specifically used to prove aircraft identity or that these serial numbers in any way are required to identify a crashed aircraft. Troofer opinions don't count to include George Nelson's implications.
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No, because it's been answered over and over.
As expected you can't furnish a reason the serial numbers are needed.
Good you have contributed nothing; thanks for your efforts.
Could you image believing something so stupid? Is the series LOST really about 911?
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You could have just answered NO.
Why is it so hard? Why do you feel the need to try and explain it all away?
You have no serial numbers. No one asked if you think it is significant or not.
The planes on 9/11 were not identified.
If they were then present the evidence that positivly identifies the PLANES.
The PLANES.
The question is about the PLANES.
Reheat is correct and you still can't tell us why serial numbers are needed.
You failed and a USAF pilot tells you the truth and you post poppycock again.
State why serial numbers are needed.
State why Reheat is wrong and source your findings.
You can't do anything to tell use why or refute Reheat; but you will talk and not answer, or give evidence.
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Can you tell me what the significance of that random number is in positively identifying a plane from 9/11?
I bet ya can't.
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Not verifying serial numbers, to the degree that it is is true is better than having no evidence whatsoever.
None none none.
That's not a random number. That's Flight 77's serial number. You said I have none.
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
All four tail numbers. Better than serial numbers you don't have to look up the tail numbers against some part.
Can you tell us the regulation saying we need serial numbers?
Please tell us you and 911Truth have a reason other than some delusional Col lies that serial numbers are needed?
Please explain why serial numbers are needed.
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I am correct in stating that the OP asked for identification numbers on flight 77 an none have been offered as identification.
You or any other pretend debunker have none on 77 or any other flight from 9/11.
You have none so just say it.
"I BEACHNUT have no identification numbers form any of the flights on 9/11"
Come on it might liberate you. It'll feeeeeeellll good.
Are you religious and nothing else?