The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

[paximperium]

There is, but I am fairly skeptical of that one () as it is only recorded in one gospel, and it seems far more likely that the entire tale was fabricated after the fact, much like the myth from the same gospel regarding the census in Galilee.

But Isn't Luke suppose to be the bestest?

 

[slingblade]

In (undue) fairness to DOC, for Jews "the Bible" refers to the Tanakh. It's not like "the Bible" didn't exist until Christians started including their preferred gospels as the "new Testament."

So it is possible for Jesus (assuming he existed) to have known the Bible.

However, at the time and place Jesus lived, Torah study was generally beyond the financial means of a carpenter. I find it unlikely that he would have had more than a rudimentary knowledge of the Bible.

Yes, but I note you and Hoku didn't have trouble coming up with the proper term for the specific writings DOC was attempting to reference.

I also took what DOC did as lending a sort of false veracity to the bible. There's a term for that, but I'm awfully tired and not coming up with it, sorry.

 

[Hokulele]

I also took what DOC did as lending a sort of false veracity to the bible. There's a term for that, but I'm awfully tired and not coming up with it, sorry.

Proselytizing.

 

[DOC]

Is that the same Luke who made up the census story?

Not according to the famous archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay. He found there was a Roman census every 14 years, beginning with Emperor Augustus. Source, the book "Examine the Evidence" by Ralph Muncas Pg. 274.

 

[DOC]

Trying to tie Jesus to Isaiah is apologetics at best, pure fiction at worst.

Then why does Jesus quote Isaiah often as Wiki Answers states.

 

[paximperium]

Not according to the famous archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay. He found there was a Roman census every 14 years, beginning with Emperor Augustus. Source, the book "Examine the Evidence" by Ralph Muncas Pg. 274.

Exact Citation and quote by Ramsay, please.
No one is going to take your word for it.

 

[paximperium]

Then why does Jesus quote Isaiah often as Wiki Answers states.

Because wiki-answers is wrong?

 

[DOC]

Jesus had a Bible?

Well he definitely knew some of the books of the Old Testament since he quoted them often.

 

[joobz]

Then why does Jesus quote Isaiah often as Wiki Answers states.

Because wiki answers isn't a prime source or that reliable...

Where's Waldo?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where's_waldo

 

[paximperium]

Well he definitely knew some of the books of the Old Testament since he is claimed to have quoted them often.

Editorial correction.

 

[joobz]

Not according to the famous archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay. He found there was a Roman census every 14 years, beginning with Emperor Augustus. Source, the book "Examine the Evidence" by Ralph Muncas Pg. 274.

Then why would Reverend Dr. Jerome Murphy-O'Connor, leading expert on New Testament exegesis, call the Census story complete nonsense?

I wonder if it has to do with actual geography and roman rule.....

 

[Lothian]

Then why does Jesus quote Isaiah often as Wiki Answers states.

Sorry, not for the first time I have lost your point.

Did Jesus, knowing Isaiah inside out say, "Hey see that chapter 53 that's me that is. Look to prove it, here is my son Frank."

 

[DOC]

Exact Citation and quote by Ramsay, please.
No one is going to take your word for it.

Joobz needs to give his source that Luke made up the census first since he brought it in with no source.

 

[Foster Zygote]

He was a hard laborer who did back breaking work. Look at all that hard work:
[qimg]http://photos.brianjarrett.com/albums/strange_funny/strangefunny/normal_muscle_jesus.jpg[/qimg]

I've seen some pretty homo-erotic images of Jesus, but that one takes the prize.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Yes, but I note you and Hoku didn't have trouble coming up with the proper term for the specific writings DOC was attempting to reference.

I also took what DOC did as lending a sort of false veracity to the bible. There's a term for that, but I'm awfully tired and not coming up with it, sorry.

Proselytizing.

Lying?

 

[joobz]

Joobz needs to give his source that Luke made up the census first since he brought it in with no source.

I've already done so, or did you not bother with watching?

Very true. Posts aren't threads. But if a thread drifts into discussing a topic, is it wrong to describe the thread by the new topic being discussed?

Actually, don't answer that. It's not important.

What's important here is that this biblical scholar clearly questions Luke's historical accuracy. Indeed, I believe he used the term "complete nonsense" in describing Luke's census story.

Time 5:57-7:00

 

[paximperium]

Joobz needs to give his source that Luke made up the census first since he brought it in with no source.

Joobz gave his source. Where's yours?

 

[DOC]

Sorry, not for the first time I have lost your point.

Did Jesus, knowing Isaiah inside out say, "Hey see that chapter 53 that's me that is. Look to prove it, here is my son Frank."

Actually according to Norman Geisler's book in which he quotes the book "The 53rd Chapter of Isaiah according to Jewish interpreters" the concept that Isaiah 53 being associated with the Jewish nation didn't really gather steam until about 1000ad. It also states that even before the time of Christ many Jewish rabbis associated Isaiah 53 with the Messiah.

 

[DOC]

Joobz gave his source. Where's yours?

Where did he give his source -- what post?

 

[paximperium]

Where did he give his source -- what post?

Look above.
I'm still waiting for YOURS.