Ladewig
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And Judaism has stood an even greater test of time. KK: Fail.
The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems
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And Judaism has stood an even greater test of time. KK: Fail.
Foster Zygote
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I've met many a Christian who fails to comprehend, or refuses to acknowledge, that religious Jews view Christianity in much the same way that Christians view Muslims or Mormons.*
*Yes, I know. Mormons identify themselves as a Christian sect. But you know what I mean.
Marcus
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Christians are indeed the johnny-come-latelys, when compared with the worlds more established religions. It's amazing how many Christians somehow believe that theirs is the oldest religion. 2,000 years is but a drop in the bucket.
Nicely, eloquently put, Lonewulf. I'd only add that I would celebrate Truth, even the truth of Kathy.
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Because my dear Ladewig God has undoubtedly opened my eyes and the lies of this world are quite obvious to those of us who have been born again of the Spirit. The truth of Christianity is Jesus himself.
God is the one who reveals the truth to us and He doesn't lie! We know God through His Word and by accepting Jesus, there truly is no other way to the Father!!
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And, of course, using this same logic it would be impossible for you to know whether or not what you believed was truly evil or not. Indeed, you have no clue if it was God or Satan who convinced you of what is true.
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Nope, just you talking about a so-called god as it being true tells me your eyes are anything but open. You are buying into one of the biggest lies.
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Lonewulf
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Keep your chains, slaver. I've broken mine long ago.
Ladewig
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I don't understand why you think that response shows that you do not have blind faith. Perhaps it is because we have different definitions of blind faith. What is yours?
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Hokulele
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Name one lie of this world. Specifically.
Sure he does. Genesis 8:21 contradicts your preferred version of Revelation quite a bit.
Foster Zygote
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Because, my dear Kathy, God has undoubtedly opened my eyes, and the lies of this world are quite obvious to those of us who have received the recitation. The truth of Islam is God himself.
God is the one who reveals the truth to us and He doesn't lie! We know God through His Word given to Mohamed, there truly is no other way to the Father!
It works with most religions.
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You know when you meet someone on the street and they know you but you can't remember their name? They so clearly know you it is embarrassing to admit you haven't a clue who they are so you carefully skirt the name thing for the whole conversation Well I think Pascal's wager has to be done like that
Bit of a pain in the arse really.
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Bummer. It's more like Pascal's Lotto.
Does the salvation jackpot grow when more souls are damned each week?
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He doesn't? Let's look at this. According to you, Jews are going to Hell, right? Because they don't accept Jesus as their savior.
But God chose the Jews as His people. He made a covenant with them for all time.
So did He lie to the Jews? Did he not really mean they were His people?
Or - and here is the question that ought to scare the fundies out of you - did He change his mind? Did He first tell the Jews that they were His people, then change the rules after Jesus' little trip to Terra? And if God can change His mind once, then what's to keep Him from doing it again - to you? What if, just before the Tribulations come, God says, "Just fooling! It was really the Buddhists all along"? And what if He says, "And it's not Heaven after all. I think that Nirvana idea sounds like a good one"?
Because you can't have it both ways. Either God doesn't lie, and the covenant with the Jews still stands, and they are his people; or he does lie, and you can't trust a word you've been taught.
Or the whole damn thing is a lie.
Kurious_Kathy
I'd personally like to thank you for your explanation, as it is one of the most elegant and succinct summaries of "religious reasoning" I have ever seen.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic by the way.
For what it is worth (which I suspect is minimal) I completely disagree with your statement due to it being absolutely illogical. However there is a charming circularity to the reasoning.
Hokulele
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Welcome Manning!
I like your "charming circularity line".
I like your "charming circularity line".
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Prayer to the god. whose name I forgot:You know when you meet someone on the street and they know you but you can't remember their name? They so clearly know you it is embarrassing to admit you haven't a clue who they are so you carefully skirt the name thing for the whole conversation Well I think Pascal's wager has to be done like that
Bit of a pain in the arse really.
Oh... you!
You, who are really important.
You do that stuff which we all think is really good.
and we thank you for that.
Um, It would be insulting for me to call you any name so, well
I thank you for keeping away the bad guy or guys, who we all reject in your, um, name. Yeah. We reject the bad-the other stuff- and accept you, the good stuff.
unless of course, you are the bad stuff, then we're cool with that as well.
In either case, Just don't get too mad that I don't know who you are.
After all, you've been kinda hazy about it.
the end.
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Welcome Manning!
I like your "charming circularity line".
A pleasure. I am a huge fan of circular reasoning actually. Many ignorant people would criticise it, but it actually has a solid foundation in logic:
- Aristotle is the founder of modern reasoning.
- Aristotle stated that the circle is the perfect geometrical object.
- Therefore, according to Aristotle, circular reasoning is perfect reasoning.
Thus I trust no-one will ever have the gall to criticise circular reasoning ever again.
Roadtoad
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See, this is the whole root of the problem. Kathy, YOU ARE A LIAR. You have been caught in lies so often, it's embarrassing to mention it. At what point do you accept the fact that your "witless witness" bears no weight, simply because you have lied to us so often, there's not point in wasting time with you?
Wow, so you have the spirit of TRUTH? Demonstrate that, would you?
In the meantime, Wollery's correct. You have an answer, but your searching for the questions to fit. Sorry. Real life does not work that way, especially for liars.
Belz...
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Obvious how ? You certainly can't provide evidence, so what is it ?