The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

tsig said:
Well if lambs are routinely whipped, fitted with a crown of thorns and forced to carry a cross to the butcher site then I guess he was led like a lamb.
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A crown of lamb roast?
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X said:
I pointed this out earlier, as well as the part where it is stated, quite clearly, that the songs are about Israel.
DOC, predictably, never replied...
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Oh, sorry. I haven't been following the thread closely................obviously. Good work.
 
Ooohh. Is that what he's asking? Is DOC really trying to imply that antisemetism doesn't exist?
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That's how I read it as well.

"There's always some evil madman who's out to get us!"
"Oh yeah? Name one!"

I hope I'm wrong.
 
DOC said:
The Jewish prophet Isaiah says this:

"he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,"

It doesn't say anything about awareness. What if the prophecy just refers to what it says -- the simple act of a lamb being led to the slaughter.
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You place a halter around the lambs neck or you carry the lamb. The lamb is totally unaware of what is going to happen.

You do not arrest the lamb, have a trial where the lamb is aware of the trial, beat the lamb with a whip, make it carry the cross piece through the streets (that always bothers me when they show jesus hauling the whole cross through the streets), then nail the hands to the cross piece, haul the cross piece up and then nail the feet.

Nope the lamb is unaware of the process that is occuring until the knife slits it's throat.

It certainly does not ask the father to pass the cup.
 
Cleon said:
I think he's trying to derail into his standard "Hitler wasn't a Christian" shtick. Don't let him.
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The question seems more a holocaust denial than a "atheism leads to murder" argument.
 
I think he's trying to derail into his standard "Hitler wasn't a Christian" shtick
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Thanks. Reread the post and put more emphasis on "fundamentalist", as in "Christian fundamentalist".

Figured I had it wrong, thanks for the confirmation.
 
wollery said:
Let's see if I've got this straight. You're using the gospel stories, which were written well after the fact in literary styles designed specifically to highlight the similarities to the prophecies of Isaiah, conflict with each other on several important facts, and which have no corroborating evidence, as proof that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of Isaiah.

And you wonder why people make fun of you and your threads?
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Well I don't make fun of Doc's threads, he shares the truth! Jesus fullfilled all these prophesies to save this lost world. If you could just take God at his word your eyes could be open too!!
 
The story of the revering crowds and Palm fronds when he went into Jerusalem shows this interpretation, as prophecy, is wrong.
The fact he had followers for his entire ministry show that he was not rejected, the Isaiah chaps interpretation, as prophecy of Jesus, is wrong.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well I don't make fun of Doc's threads, he shares the truth! Jesus fullfilled all these prophesies to save this lost world. If you could just take God at his word your eyes could be open too!!
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Which is it Kathy did Jesus save the world or is the world still groaning with the weight of sin?
 
how is this supposed to be fulfillment of a prophecy, even if the text was more clear on the details so that it could only be a reference to JC this would be to claim that JC wasn't aware of the bible and hadn't read it, I do the same as this every week when wishing I had chosen different numbers on the lottery after I have seen the results. If a book says a saviour would rise in the east and someone reads it and then claims to be that saviour so deliberately moves to the east to support his claim, "prophecy fulfillment" isn't the term for that is it, its closer to "con" surely
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kurious_kathy said:
Well I don't make fun of Doc's threads, he shares the truth!
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Kathy:

You're confusing truth with belief again.

You can believe what you like. But if you use the T word, you had better use methods that are actually capable of obtaining it. You're literally asking people to ignore all such methods when you plea for the B word.

This is very simple. Please understand.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
Well I don't make fun of Doc's threads, he shares the truth! Jesus fullfilled all these prophesies to save this lost world. If you could just take God at his word your eyes could be open too!!
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Kathy in the Godbot zone, as usual. Nothing to add. :rolleyes:
 
DOC said:
That could be one implication.
It also could mean just what it says - a lamb being led to its death.
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The metaphor also strongly implies the lamb was killed, Has the Jewish Nation ever been killed like Jesus was?
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No it does not.The phrase means that the victim is unaware of his fate.Yet more sophistry from Doc.
 
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