You can't furnish the regulation because there isn't one, and you can't provide an example because there isn't one. Don't you think that these are relevant to the OP? Either fill out an FOIA request, provide the regulation and an example, or stop replying. No one here cares less about the truth than you. If you want us to believe otherwise: do something, anything.
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You can't furnish the regulation because there isn't one, and you can't provide an example because there isn't one. Don't you think that these are relevant to the OP? Either fill out an FOIA request, provide the regulation and an example, or stop replying. No one here cares less about the truth than you. If you want us to believe otherwise: do something, anything.
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And the "Truth Movement" stops an the Internet's edge which is exactly the point I am making by comparing it to the Obama-hating loons. .
Good. So did I and the fact that much of the public that knows about the "Truth Movement" associates it with us Democrat/Liberal types and the liberal media features loons like Gage and Jones embarrassed the h*ll out of me when my fact-based conservative friends bring it up.
For the record, I consider the rank and file of the "Truth Movement" to be political eunuchs and anarchistic in an ineffectual way. I'm much less kind in my opinion of the leaders/inventors of the movement.
Just because you brought the topic up and I'm proud of the work I did, I'll use this as an excuse to mention that I ran a county campaign office.
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When will you come clean? You are being asked by people who know vastly more than you do if there was something unusual about Flight 77. If you are saying that other crashes were identified by serial numbers, you must either make your case or stand branded as a liar. Tell us if there is a mystery surrounding the identity of the 757 that crashed into the Pentagon. Tell us what parts should have had serial numbers, but didn't. Tell us why, if serial numbers are commonly found after horrific crashes, your imaginary conspiracy didn't supply them in this case. Show us something, "truther."
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This is actually one of the stupidest threads in a long time. The serial numbers, or lack thereof have nothing to do with whether or not AAL77 hit the Pentagon. Would they be nice to have? Yes. Would they prove anything to HI and buddies? No. If they can't understand that a plane, identified as AAL77 by American Airlines, took off from Dulles, can be tracked every step of the way by radar (which matches with the FDR found at the Pentagon), containing passengers who's body parts and DNA were found inside the Pentagon, then a serial number is not going to mean a darn thing to them.
Sounds like someone just wants to argue about a serial number which has no significance to the issue at all.
Sounds like someone just wants to argue about a serial number which has no significance to the issue at all.
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Hmmm...? People who know vastly more then me? Do you know me? Do you know them? Just something else you have bought hook line and sinker without ANY evidence. Like it would mean something anyway. The layers of your personal belief system are pathetic.
Are you really a skeptical thinker? Come on. Come clean.
Your fellow debunkers have already provided a serial number said to be of flight 77.
Match it to enough plane parts where supposedly DNA of every passenger except one was identified. I mean humans aren't more durable then planes now are they?
If you want some history of how terrorist downed planes were investigated in the past then...
But I really don't see the point.
Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. I got proof; you don't understand the proof due to complete ignorance on RADAR, DNA, FDR and other topics and skills you need to comprehend reality. Based on your posts you can't understand evidence based on reality.
You have failed to present evidence to refute 77 impacting the Pentagon but that will not stop you from posting more posts of zero evidence, zero logic, zero comprehension and displaying zero knowledge.
If you got some evidence now is the time. 7 years of ignorance on 911 is a long time to keep your smoking gun a secret.
Tell me again your anti-intellectual reason the RADAR data is not good evidence?
Do you understand RADAR, you don't understand why we need no serial numbers?
Did you show the quote where we need serial numbers yet?
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Apparently HI didn't follow U1's thread. I can't believe we are going through this again.
Many pieces of evidence accepted in a court of law.
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
400 Pages describing the evidence we have an the reasons why we can believe it.
Book: _Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses
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So the passengers boarded Flt 77, were killed, transferred to another plane, and that plane was crashed into the Pentagon?
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So here is redtail always lurking and trying to swoop in when he senses his fellow debunkers are getting their asses kicked.
Well thank you redtail for the compliant.
As far as your conspiracy theory?
How the hell would I know?
I know what you know.
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Evidence does not count for anything in their world. So they argue from belief system of '911 was an inside job' without regard for how stupid it makes them sound. It is like a puzzle of 100 pieces with one piece missing (in this case serial numbers). Although with the 99 pieces a person can pretty much see without any doubt what the puzzle represents, there will always be that 1 person in a million who will claim you are wrong because the one piece is missing.
Solipsism is a coward's position reserved for those who don't want to learn.
Excellent, you found an example!! A proper investigation would match serial numbers, right? And you seem to believe that this is an example of a proper investigation. So how about a matched serial number?
Whats that? You don't have one?
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Quite a bit of that also seems to be associated with the average CTist's inability to admit being wrong about anything. Apparently to them, any minor flaw in a pile of evidence, any minor discrepency, any minor error, any missing piece of the puzzle means that the whole box of pieces needs to be thrown out. Because of this, they can never, ever be wrong about anything.
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I never claimed to know 9/11 was an inside job.
I claim you can't prove it was 19 Islamic extremists guided by UBL or KSM (depending on what your story is this week) and that certain things about your story like identification of the airplanes haven't been proven.
In other words you debunkers are the ones with the story.
I'm skeptical of your story.
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Here we go again. Here's the tip of the iceberg for why I know that ObL and his merry band hijacked 4 airplanes and crashed them into three builngs and a corn field. There is more. I just haven't organized it yet.
How much information have you organized?
Table of Contents
[1] Reading list for all the evidence we have about the hijackers.
[2] The martyrdom videos made by 7 of the hijackers.
[3] Arabic spoken in cockpits of hijaked planes.
[4] Boarding manifest for Flt11 that shows hijacker's names
[5] The names of the hijackers
[6] BBC on the names and reporting of the hijackers
[7] Evidence for hijackers connected to bin Laden.
[OBL1] NEWS (Jan 2001) Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
[OBL2] (Jan 2001) ObL Tells Reporter that US attacks are comming.
[OBL3] ObL's connections to 9/11 prior to 2001 described
[OBL4] bin Laden quotes
[OBL5] Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
[OBL6] 1966: bin Laden declares war on America.
[OBL7] ObL attacks on America prior to 2001 listed
[OBL8] Specific attack warnings
[8] Status of Hijacker DNA - (2009)
[9] Answer to "At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive"
[10] FLt 11 boarding maiinfest shows arab names
[11] News Report on hijackers as of Nov 2, 2001
[12] Hanjour as a pilot
[13] Photo and DNA ID match of some of the hijackers.
[14] Identification of the Flt 77 hijackers
If you want to know *why* each person is on the list, read any or all
of these books to get an idea of just how much evidence for who
hijacked the planes and how they are connected directly to bin Laden
and KSM and the American Embassy bombings in Africa and the attack on
the USS Cole. Some of these names were known to the FBI even before
9/11/2001 for their crimes.
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Essential reading list
The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11
by Lawrence
Perfect Soldiers: The 9/11 Hijackers: Who They Were, Why They Did It
by Terry Mcdermott
The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America,
by James Bamford.
PBS Video on Bamford http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/spyfactory/program.html
Spying Blind
by Amy Zegart
Perfect Soldiers
by Terry McDermott
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This video has the martyrdom videos made by some of the hijackers.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1619489
Hijackers video wills (Scroll down to the bottom)
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility
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We have the audio of Arabs on the recovered cockpit voice recorders.
The CVR clearly captured the words of the hijackers, including
words in Arabic from the microphone in the pilot headset up to the
end of the flight. The hijackers' statements, the clarity of the
recording, the position of the microphone in the pilot headset, and
the corresponding manipulations of flight controls provide the
evidence. The quotes are taken from our listening to the CVR, aided
by an Arabic speaker.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/9/11_Commission_Report/Notes/Part_1
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I have the boarding manifest for Flt11 that shows the names.
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif
The above is a *tiny* part of the evidence we have for 19 Islamists
hijacking the 4 jets on 9/11. There is no alternative theory that is
consistent with this body of evidence.
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Names:
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
1) Khalid Almihdhar - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of San Diego, California, and New York
-Alias: Sannan Al-Makki; Khalid Bin Muhammad; 'Addallah Al-Mihdhar;
Khalid Mohammad Al-Saqaf
2) Majed Moqed - Possible Saudi national
-Alias: Majed M.GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed
3) Nawaf Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey; San Diego,
California
-Alias: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi
4) Salem Alhazmi - Possible Saudi national
-Possible resident of Fort Lee, New Jersey; Wayne, New Jersey
5) Hani Hanjour -
-Possible resident of Phoenix, Arizona, and San Diego, California
-Alias: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour
AMERICAN AIRLINES #11 BOEING 767
1) Satam M.A. Al Suqami- Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: June 28, 1976; Last known address: United Arab Emirates
2) Waleed M. Alshehri - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: September 13, 1974; January 1, 1976; March 3,
1976; July 8, 1977; December 20, 1978; May 11, 1979; November 5, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Orlando, Florida;
Daytona Beach, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
3) Wail M. Alshehri
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Newton, Massachusetts
-Believed to be a pilot
4) Mohamed Atta - Possible Egyptian national
-Date of birth used: September 1, 1968
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida; Coral Springs, Florida;
Hamburg, Germany
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed El
Sayed; Mohamed Elsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al Sayyid
Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad
5) Abdulaziz Alomari - Possible Saudi national
-Dates of birth used: December 24, 1972 and May 28, 1979
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
UNITED AIRLINES #175 BOEING 767
1) Marwan Al-Shehhi
-Date of birth used: May 9, 1978
-Possible residence(s): Hollywood, Florida
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Marwan Yusif Muhammad Rashid Al-Shehi; Marwan Yusif Muhammad
Rashid Lakrab Al-Shihhi; Abu Abdullah
2) Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Fayez Ahmad; Banihammad Fayez Abu Dhabi Banihammad; Fayez
Rashid Ahmed; Banihammad Fayez; Rasid Ahmed Hassen Alqadi; Abu
Dhabi Banihammad ; Ahmed Fayez; Faez Ahmed
3) Ahmed Alghamdi
-Alias: Ahmed Salah Alghamdi
4) Hamza Alghamdi
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Hamza Al-Ghamdi; Hamza Ghamdi; Hamzah Alghamdi; Hamza
Alghamdi Saleh
5) Mohand Alshehri
-Possible residence(s): Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Mohammed Alshehhi; Mohamd Alshehri; Mohald Alshehri
UNITED AIRLINES #93 BOEING 757
1) Saeed Alghamdi
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Abdul Rahman Saed Alghamdi; Ali S Alghamdi; Al- Gamdi; Saad
M.S. Al Ghamdi; Sadda Al Ghamdi; Saheed Al-Ghamdi; Seed Al Ghamdi
2) Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi - Possible Saudi national
-Date of birth used: October 11, 1980
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ahmed Alhaznawi
3) Ahmed Alnami
-Possible residence: Delray Beach, Florida
-Alias: Ali Ahmed Alnami; Ahmed A. Al-Nami; Ahmed Al- Nawi
4) Ziad Samir Jarrah
-Believed to be a pilot
-Alias: Zaid Jarrahi; Zaid Samr Jarrah; Ziad S. Jarrah; Ziad Jarrah
Jarrat, Ziad Samir Jarrahi
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BBC on the names and reporting of the hijackers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
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Osama bin Laden connected to 9/11 and attacks on America.
The following is a small part of the evidence that connects bin Laden
with the hijackers and the attacks of 9/11.
[OBL1] NEWS (Jan 2001) Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
[OBL2] (Jan 2001) ObL Tells Reporter that US attacks are comming.
[OBL3] ObL's connections to 9/11 prior to 2001 described
[OBL4] bin Laden quotes
[OBL5] Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
[OBL6] 1966: bin Laden declares war on America.
[OBL7] ObL attacks on America prior to 2001 listed
[OBL8] Specific attack warnings
[OBL1] ------------------------------------
NEWS: Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jan/13/news/mn-53626
Bin Laden Is Said to Be at Center of Loose Web
By John-Thor Dahlburg
January 13, 2000 in print edition A-1
...
U.S. and European authorities say that at the center of this web,
which has been loosely spun from the Philippines to North America,
is Saudi militant Osama bin Laden. A former Afghan moujahedeen, or
holy warrior, the 43-year-old Bin Laden is on the FBI's
10-most-wanted list for allegedly sponsoring the 1998 bombings of
the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.
In a development indicative of Bin Laden's esteem among his brothers
in arms, after the United States succeeded in obtaining a
U.N. Security Council resolution in October demanding Bin Laden's
extradition from Afghanistan, GIA leader Antar Zouabri issued a
letter that condemned the West for persecuting Islamic militants and
that vowed reprisals.
French officials said Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian national arrested
Dec. 14 in Washington state on suspicion of plotting a bombing in
the United States, received his military training at one of Bin
Laden's camps in eastern Afghanistan.
According to the French, the 33-year-old North African belonged to
the "Roubaix gang," a band of armed robbers of Algerian, Bosnian and
French origin who trained in Islamic camps in Bosnia-Herzegovina and
carried out a series of holdups in Belgium and northern France in
early 1996.
Judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, one of France's top anti-terrorism
investigators, says a flexible, diffuse and worldwide structure
makes Muslim extremism a growing problem that demands more intense
cross-border cooperation.
In the space of one month, the French judge's investigations took
him as far afield as Canada and Australia.
"The Islamic extremist threat is the Internet of terrorism,"
Bruguiere said.
[OBL2] ------------------------------
June, 2001: ObL Tells London reporter "attacks are comming.
June 21st, 2001: Bakr Atyani, a reporter for Saudi Arabian owned
broadcaster Middle East Broadcasting Corp. meets with Osama bin Laden
and his aides in a desert area of Afghanistan. According to Atyani,
"Bin Laden seemed happy with the talks of his aides who said that the
coming weeks will hold important surprises that will target American
and Israeli interests in the world."
June 22nd, 2001: The US State Department issued a "Worldwide Caution"
regarding the risk of a terrorist attack by extremist groups. It
specifically mentioned groups with links to Bin Laden and his Al Queda
organization as possible sources for the threat.
June 22nd, 2001: US military forces throughout the Persian Gulf were
put on a heightened state of alert.
June 22nd, 2001: A U.S. Marine Corps contingent in Jordan cut short
its training session and returned to its ships.
June 22nd, 2001: U.S. 5th Fleet sent its ships out of port in Bahrain.
June 23rd, 2001: Middle East Broadcasting Corp reported that followers
of Bin Laden were planning an attack on American and Israeli interests
within the next few weeks. Bakr Atyani's interview with Bin Laden is a
featured report.
June 24th: Taliban officials responde
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7743
Described in Bamford [OBL3] Starting on p.16
[OBL3] -----------------------------------------------------
"The Shadow Factory - The Ultra=Secret NSA from 9/11..' by Bamford.
- Description of evidence connecting Obl to attacks on America P. 16
[OBL4] -----------------------------------
bin Laden quotes
http://iraqwar.org/binladenquotes.htm
[OBL5] --------------------------------
Congressional Research Service
Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
Updated July 9, 2007
Christopher M. Blanchard, Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs
- http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32759.pdf
...The third and "ultimate objective," according to Al Adl, (*)
"was to prompt [the United States] to come out of its hole." Al Adl
claims that Al Qaeda wanted to provoke the United States into
attacking areas of the Islamic world associated with the
organization and its affiliates. In doing so, Al Adl claims, Al
Qaeda hoped to make it easier to attack elements of U.S. power and
to build its "credibility in front of [the Islamic] nation and the
beleaguered people of the world."
Al Adl and others have conceded that the attacks on New York and
Washington were not totally successful, while arguing that the
September 11 attack "was enough to prompt the Americans to carry
out the anticipated response" - namely direct military action
within the Islamic world.
...In December 2004, Bin Laden identified the conflict in Iraq as "a
golden and unique opportunity" for jihadists to engage and defeat
the United States, and he characterized the insurgency in Iraq as
the central battle in a "Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist
coalition began against the Islamic nation." 24
(*) Al-Qa'ida Leader Sayf al-Adl OSC Report - GMP2005060637100, May 21, 2005
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1966: bin Laden declares war on America
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830a.htm
[OBL7] -----------------------------
ObL Early attacks and aid for attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Militant_activity
[OBL8] ----------------------------------------
Specific attack warnings
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_speci\
fic_cases
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Newsweek - Remains of the Day
Nineteen hijackers died on 9/11. What should be done with what's
left of them? Eve Conant
From the magazine issue dated Jan 12, 2009
...Through a combination of innovative DNA-mapping techniques, help
from the FBI's crime lab and dumb luck, the scientists have now ID'd
four of the 10 New York hijackers. The remains of the nine hijackers
from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites have also been
confirmed; six other hijackers have yet to be identified. ...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724/output/print
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At Least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
BBC Response
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html
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Manifest
http://www.911myths.com/images/8/84/Flight_11_Manifest.gif
Discussion
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124907
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News report as of Nov 2, 2001
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/11/02/attack/main316806.shtml
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New York Newsday article from 9/23/01.
"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a
pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in
my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could
have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said."
Most of the complaints that I've seen were that he couldn't
land well. Considering what he was planning on doing, I
wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't exactly the top of his
"skills to hone" list.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/nynewsday_sep23.html
Woman taught 9/11 hijacker how to fly
http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=55&fArticleId=3171841
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Photo and DNA ID match of some of the pilots.
This 9/11 Commission document explains how the FBI attempted to
verify the hijackers identities (includes an apparent DNA match
with Jarrah).
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13950034/...BI-ID-of-Hijackers-by-Family-Members-PENTTBOM
http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team5_Box62_AliasesAndIDs-FBIIDsHijackers-1.pdf
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Identification of the Flt 77 hijackers
This 9/11 Commission document includes details of a forensic
examination of hijacker ID cards recovered from the Pentagon, and a
list of identification documents belonging to the hijackers
(passports, visas, driving licences, more).
http://911myths.com/images/b/ba/Team5_Box46_Chronology_US_Identifications.pdf
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Yes it has.
Homeland Insurgency? How am I supposed to know that's TWA 800 without a matched serial number? And how about a tail, or wings, or a wheel...where are they? I'm very skeptical of this shining example of "how terrorist downed planes were investigated in the past".