Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[ULTIMA1]

Roger Dodger,

The information you are asking for has been posted multiple times the past couple of days.

No thats where you are wrong. Its not the information i have been asking for.

No one has been able to debate the sources i have psoted from.

 

[Gamolon]

no url..?

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...look=penttbom:

BTW: Assumes Responsibility does not mean the same as start crime scene.

Ummm...yes it does. Read the above url and look at the different entries. Please tell me how you think they did no investigation prior to your Sept. 21st date.

You've got to be delusional.

 

[Gamolon]

BTW: Assumes Responsibility does not mean the same as start crime scene.

Your statement is proven wrong here by the bolded statment:

9:42 a.m. September 11, 2001: FBI Arrives at the Pentagon; Assumes Responsibility for Investigation

Logo of the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad. [Source: FBI]
Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies. Its agents are able to confiscate security videos from a nearby gas station within minutes of the crash (see (After 9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001). More than 700 FBI agents, assisted by hundreds of individuals from other organizations, will participate in the recovery operation.

So you are once again wrong.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Your statement is proven wrong here by the bolded statment:

How many tines can 1 person be proven worng?

Declared is not the same as started either sorry try again.

 

[Gamolon]

How many tines can 1 person be proven worng?

Declared is not the same as started either sorry try again.

Yes it is. There are statments previously that say the FBI started colelcting evidence.

Do you get that? They were collecting evidence right after the attack. How can you sit there with a straight face and tell us that "collecting evidence" is not "investigating the crime scene".

Care to elaborate?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Yes it is. There are statments previously that say the FBI started colelcting evidence.

Do you get that? They were collecting evidence right after the attack. How can you sit there with a straight face and tell us that "collecting evidence" is not "investigating the crime scene".

Care to elaborate?

How many times must i say it and prove it that the FBI did not officially start the crime scene untill Sept 21st?

 

[BigAl]

How many times must i say it and prove it that the FBI did not officially start the crime scene untill Sept 21st?

If you are right, what does it change in the basic story; that 19 Islamist hijackers captured and crashed 4 civilian jets on the morning of 9/11.

 

[Gamolon]

How many tines can 1 person be proven worng?

Declared is not the same as started either sorry try again.

So let me get this straight so I understand YOU'RE persepctive.

The FBI shows up at right after the attack. There is a statement that they start collecting evidence right away.

You want us to believe that the FBI "collecting evidence" when they arrived and that that collection of evidence is not part of their investigation? They got there on the day of the attacks and just stood around?

 

[Gamolon]

How many times must i say it and prove it that the FBI did not officially start the crime scene untill Sept 21st?

Start the crime scene?

Please explain what you mean by that.

1. Start the crime scene meaning it wasn't declared a crime scene until the 21st

or

2. Start the crime scene meaning they didn't start investigating until the 21st

Which is it?

 

[ULTIMA1]

So let me get this straight so I understand YOU'RE persepctive.

The FBI shows up at right after the attack. There is a statement that they start collecting evidence right away.

last time i state this. IF you cannot not understand it you need to get help now.

The FBI officially started the crime scene investigation on Sept 21.

 

[lapman]

How many times must i say it and prove it that the FBI did not officially start the crime scene untill Sept 21st?

Wow, the goal posts have been moved. You have yet to provide proof that specifically states " the official start of the crime scene investigation started on Sept. 21st." You've only posted when they took juristiction. Not the same thing. The actual start of the crime scene investigation according to the sources that you refuse to acknowledge is Sep 11th. You have yet to post an official document that lists the exact dates.

 

[Gamolon]

How many times must i say it and prove it that the FBI did not officially start the crime scene untill Sept 21st?

But your contention as that the only investigated the crime scene for 5 days. The started gathering evidence the day of the attack. Sorry, but collecting evidence is investigating no matter how you slice it.

You are just flat out wrong.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Wow, the goal posts have been moved. You have yet to provide proof that specifically states " the official start of the crime scene investigation started on Sept. 21st."

The sources i posted stated that the crime scene started on Sept 21 when they took over the site as a crime scene.

 

[BCR]

The sources i posted stated that the crime scene started on Sept 21 when they took over the site as a crime scene.

Well, as already demonstrated, your understanding of the sources is wrong.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Well, as already demonstrated, your understanding of the sources is wrong.

NO it is not wrong. Thanks for playing.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

NO it is not wrong. Thanks for playing.

Only Dick Clark, Wink Martindale, and Alex Trebek get to say that. And you, sir, are no Dick, Wink, or Alex.

 

[lapman]

The sources i posted stated that the crime scene started on Sept 21 when they took over the site as a crime scene.

No they don't. Stop lying.

ETA: You have to follow your own standard. Provide an official document that states when the start and stop date of the crime scene investigation.

 

[ULTIMA1]

No they don't. Stop lying.

ETA: You have to follow your own standard. Provide an official document that states when the start and stop date of the crime scene investigation.

How many documents will it take this time ?

Start date Sept 21 as shown by sources you cannot debate.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44840
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washing...ia+Davis&desc=FBI+Takes+Over+at+Pentagon+Site
The Washington Post - Washington, D.C.
Author: Josh White and Patricia Davis
Date: Sep 22, 2001
Start Page: B.04
Section: METRO
Text Word Count: 741

The FBI yesterday officially took control of the site where an American Airlines jet crashed into the Pentagon, ending 10 arduous days of search, rescue and recovery efforts and giving way to a lengthy criminal investigation.


Stop date Sept 26.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n0..._200109266.html
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/crimin...urity/911.html
On September 12, the FBI declared the Pentagon a crime scene, and EPA Special Agents were on the scene assisting in decontamination, gathering crime scene evidence (photography, videotaping, evidence gathering, etc.) and supplying other investigative and technical support to the FBI. In addition, EPA Special Agents assisted with body recovery and site safety until September 27, when the agents departed after the FBI returned the site to the control of the Department of Defense and FEMA.

 

[lapman]

Start date Sept 21 as shown by sources you cannot debate.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44840
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washing...ia+Davis&desc=FBI+Takes+Over+at+Pentagon+Site
The Washington Post - Washington, D.C.
Author: Josh White and Patricia Davis
Date: Sep 22, 2001
Start Page: B.04
Section: METRO
Text Word Count: 741

The FBI yesterday officially took control of the site where an American Airlines jet crashed into the Pentagon, ending 10 arduous days of search, rescue and recovery efforts and giving way to a lengthy criminal investigation.

Neither one specifically states the the crime scene investigation started that day. And those are not official reports, only news articles. The other sources already stated that the FBI started gathering evidence on 9/11. I may be wrong, but isn't gathering evidence a part of a crime scene investigation?

Stop date Sept 26.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n0..._200109266.html
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

I've already acknowledged this one since it specifically states that the crime scene investigation stopped on that day.

Where is your official report that specifically states the start and stop date of the crime scene investigation?

 

[ULTIMA1]

I've already acknowledged this one since it specifically states that the crime scene investigation stopped on that day.

Well at least you acknowledged 1.