Split Thread AA77 FBI Investigation [split from: AA77 FDR Data, Explained]

[JoeyDonuts]

I was a federal police officer and know what dates should go on documents.

Were you in the FBI? Are you certain that their procedures are identical to what you've experienced?

It seems really myopic and self-centered to me for a person to assume that because they have experience in a given field, then everyone else does things exactly like they do. I deal with this crap at work all the time.

 

[BigAl]

Are you qualified to analyze the raw data from the FDR? What are your qualifications for that?

U1 insists on personal and first-hand information on each and every bit of information that fact-based people cite. For his own claims and denials, anything goes.

I guess even the CIA building needs a cleaning crew and I find U1's claims to have security access for anything but that to have zero credibility.

 

[Gamolon]

Do you think they will put the date they arrived there or the date they officially took over the scene?

Here you go. Proof you are wrong. This is taken from this site (the same place Gavron showed)http://www.historycommons.org/timel...ine&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom:

9:42 a.m. September 11, 2001: FBI Arrives at the Pentagon; Assumes Responsibility for Investigation

Logo of the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad. [Source: FBI]
Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies. Its agents are able to confiscate security videos from a nearby gas station within minutes of the crash (see (After 9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001). More than 700 FBI agents, assisted by hundreds of individuals from other organizations, will participate in the recovery operation.

Notice what it says in the bold part of the quote? ASSUMES RESPONSIBILTYfor INVESTIGATION?

 

[Gavron]

So, you are not qualified to analyze the raw data yourself...you need others to do that for you.

I didnt ask if you were a crew chief, and could care less. You can say you worked at a Piggly Wiggly....it doesnt change the fact that you are not qualified to analyze the raw data yourself.

 

[Gamolon]

Wow.

If you can read the timeline from this site and come back here and tell me that the FBI DIDN'T start it's investigation until Sept. 21st, then I don't know what else to say to you other than the fact that you are deliberately trying to be difficult just to get a rise out of folks here.

http://www.historycommons.org/timel...line&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom

 

[Gavron]

Its ok, Gamolon. He knows what it says, and knows when the FBI did start it. He just likes to be contrary, to get his post counts up. Just a truther troll..that has been banned on multiple forums here. We all know

 

[ULTIMA1]

Were you in the FBI? Are you certain that their procedures are identical to what you've experienced?


It seems really myopic and self-centered to me for a person to assume that because they have experience in a given field, then everyone else does things exactly like they do. I deal with this crap at work all the time.

I have been thorugh much of the same training that the FBI has.

Not that much difference between the training the FBI gets and i had.

 

[Baylor]

Good God ULTIMA has made more than twice as many posts in 24 hours as the runner up (gumboot).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/misc.php?do=topposters

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I have been thorugh much of the same training that the FBI has.

Not that much difference between the training the FBI gets and i had.

Assuming this is true, training is a completely different monster than doing something in practice. This doesn't even factor in organizational rules and preferences. Some police departments still use 10-codes. Some don't.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Wow.

If you can read the timeline from this site and come back here and tell me that the FBI DIDN'T start it's investigation until Sept. 21st, then I don't know what else to say to you other than the fact that you are deliberately trying to be difficult just to get a rise out of folks here.

But several sources i have posted state the official start was Sept 21.

Can you debate the sources?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Assuming this is true, training is a completely different monster than doing something in practice. .

Yes it is, but when something does happen you usually fall back on your training.

 

[Gnu World Order]

Good God ULTIMA has made more than twice as many posts in 24 hours as the runner up (gumboot).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/misc.php?do=topposters

Your tax dollars at work.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I tire of this, and have spent far too much time this morning chasing around this ball of yarn. I'm going to do something more worthwhile now.

...like make toast.

 

[BigAl]

I have been thorugh much of the same training that the FBI has.

Not that much difference between the training the FBI gets and i had.

What job skill? There are a bunch of major job categories in the FBI and I'm sure every one has countless specialties. Nobody is trained in all of them.

Nothing I have read of yours suggests any professional expertise in anything related to 9/11.

What do you want to be when you grow up?

 

[Mince]

But several sources i have posted state the official start was Sept 21.

Can you debate the sources?

Thanks for proving you cannot debate me with facts and evidence.

 

[Gavron]

But several sources i have posted state the official start was Sept 21.

Can you debate the sources?

I believe that is what he is doing, Roger Dodger.

We can show an equal number of official govt sites that show the FBI was on site and gathering evidence the morning of 9/11. Just because it goes against your conspiracy theory doesnt mean its wrong.

 

[Gamolon]

But several sources i have posted state the official start was Sept 21.

Can you debate the sources?

Yes.

9:42 a.m. September 11, 2001: FBI Arrives at the Pentagon; Assumes Responsibility for Investigation

Logo of the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad. [Source: FBI]
Within five minutes of the Pentagon being hit, the first group from the FBI’s National Capital Response Squad arrives there. Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies. Its agents are able to confiscate security videos from a nearby gas station within minutes of the crash (see (After 9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001). More than 700 FBI agents, assisted by hundreds of individuals from other organizations, will participate in the recovery operation.

Notice the bolded heading.

 

[ULTIMA1]

I believe that is what he is doing, Roger Dodger.

We can show an equal number of official govt sites that show the FBI was on site and gathering evidence the morning of 9/11. Just because it goes against your conspiracy theory doesnt mean its wrong.

Show me on the sites where they say the site was taken over by the FBI and crime scene started.

It will show what i have posted and all the sites i have posted state that the FBI took over the site as s crime scene on Sept 21.

 

[ULTIMA1]

yes.



Notice the bolded heading.

no url..?

BTW: Assumes Responsibility does not mean the same as start crime scene.

 

[Gavron]

Roger Dodger,

The information you are asking for has been posted multiple times the past couple of days. Please learn to do research and read it. We dont need to repost over and over just because you fail to accept the truth.

Just because it goes against your conspiracy theory does not mean its wrong.