no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[KreeL]

FAILURE

RADAR does not need transponder codes to identify an aircraft. This post prove you are full of junk ideas and use failed Internet junk to form your dumb ideas and failed opinions.

RADAR has positive ident on all 4 planes. Redo

On 911 positive identity of all four planes..

Serial numbers are not needed all four planes were identified by ATC.

Your post is a failure like your opinions; bring facts and evidence next time; learn why you are a failure at this


You have no evidence of reasonable doubt you have failed ideas and lies.

What identifiers does RADAR give? Can you use RADAR to positively identify a particular aircraft?

When I read the ATC transcripts, they thought they had FL11 heading towards D.C. AFTER it supposedly struck the north tower. Did RADAR fail?

 

[beachnut]

What identifiers does RADAR give? Can you use RADAR to positively identify a particular aircraft?

When I read the ATC transcripts, they thought they had FL11 heading towards D.C. AFTER it supposedly struck the north tower. Did RADAR fail?

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm

All four flight path studies are on this page at the NTSB. Have you read them? If not, why not? Read them and see if they can help.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You plagiarized a post from another web site and it was wrong.

Show me that FAA does not require serial numbers to ID aircraft ni a crime scene investiagion.

 

[ULTIMA1]

All four flight path studies are on this page at the NTSB. Have you read them? If not, why not? Read them and see if they can help.

But for crime scene investigation if the FDRs are not found or have no data then serial numbers must be used to verify ID of aircraft.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

But for crime scene investigation if the FDRs are not found or have no data then serial numbers must be used to verify ID of aircraft.

Wouldn't even need that much, smart guy.

There are numerous other systems that can identify an aircraft without having to scrape primer and coating off looking for metal stamps.

But of course you knew that already.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Wouldn't even need that much, smart guy.

There are numerous other systems that can identify an aircraft without having to scrape primer and coating off looking for metal stamps.

But of course you knew that already.

So fun and easy to post facts, you should try it sometime.

http://www.historycommons.org/timel...line&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
“We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.”

 

[Gavron]

So you admit that they found part numbers with serial numbers. Thank you, Roger.

 

[ULTIMA1]

So you admit that they found part numbers with serial numbers. Thank you, Roger.

Please stop the lies and be adult enough not to lie and put words in my mouth.

I challenge you to show me the reports matching part serial numbers to planes. If you can show these reports i will leave the forum.

 

[Gavron]

But you yourself just linked a report saying they took photos of parts with serial numbers.

which is it, Roger? They found parts with serial numbers or not?

 

[nicepants]

Reported, and thanks again for proving my point about believers.

Actually, we don't believe you...so that would make us non-believers.

Add me to the tally...I don't believe you either.

 

[ULTIMA1]

They found parts with serial numbers or not?

Gee how can explain it in simple terms for you.

We do not know of they found parts with serial numbers or not since that evidence and those reports have not been released.

There are no reports released matching parts found to the planes, as needed in a criminal investigation.

I believe the FAA is still refusing to release serial numbers through FOIA request.

I challenge you to show me the reports matching part serial numbers to planes. If you can show these reports i will leave the forum.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Add me to the tally...I don't believe you either.

Well i do not believe you since you have not posted anything even close to a mature discussion with facts and evidence.

 

[Gavron]

Umm...you say those reports have not been released yet.

then your next sentence says there are no reports.

Which is it Roger? No reports, or just there are reports, not released yet?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Which is it Roger? No reports, or just there are reports, not released yet?

Sorry i will repeat it again, forget your low reading comprehension level.

We do not know of they found parts with serial numbers or not since that evidence and those reports have not been released.

There are no reports released matching parts found to the planes, as needed in a criminal investigation.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

So fun and easy to post facts, you should try it sometime.

http://www.historycommons.org/timel...line&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
“We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.”

Uhhh...Ahem. Did you miss something? Why should they need to prove that Flight 77 was a 757-223? Is the identity and type of plane in question? You could obtain that information off a discount travel site to buy tickets for the flight. The airlines themselves have confirmed that that's what kind of plane it was.

Why are you crying foul with the investigation in the first place? Are you angry they didn't call you in as a consultant?

Your logic is akin to a medical examiner swabbing down a knife wound exsanguination victim for GSR even if there was no sign of gunshot trauma. Utterly baffling. Half of the sources you post either directly or through implication negate your entire point.

And you know what? Even with all of your supposed clearance and ability to read documents - You can't see the reports listing the serial numbers of the plane parts because you aren't authorized to see them. There are still AQ operatives involved in the planning and logistics at large - and this information would most likely be used in a trial of Ayman al-Zawiri or even OBL if he were ever captured.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Uhhh...Ahem. Did you miss something? Why should they need to prove that Flight 77 was a 757-223?

In case you did not know it is a crime scene investigation.

Is the identity and type of plane in question?

The identity is due to crime scene investigation.

Why are you crying foul with the investigation in the first place?

Beacuse i want to find the truth.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Beacuse i want to find the truth.

What makes you think it hasn't already been found to the best of our investigative agencies' ability?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Uhhh...Ahem. Did you miss something? Why should they need to prove that Flight 77 was a 757-223? Is the identity and type of plane in question? You could obtain that information off a discount travel site to buy tickets for the flight. The airlines themselves have confirmed that that's what kind of plane it was.

Why are you crying foul with the investigation in the first place? Are you angry they didn't call you in as a consultant?

Your logic is akin to a medical examiner swabbing down a knife wound exsanguination victim for GSR even if there was no sign of gunshot trauma. Utterly baffling. Half of the sources you post either directly or through implication negate your entire point.

Yeah, no kidding. Ultima wants a 1-hop identification, but ignores the FDR. Okay, fine. The 2-hop IDs work just as well too, especially when combined with the one-hoppers. American Airlines reported FL77 being lost. Post-event analysis of the ATC primary radar data showed an unbroken track from takeoff to right before impact when it dropped below radar coverage. AA confirms that the flight took off, the FAA through its radar data demonstrates where the flight went. That alone is good evidence for what the jet is.

Consider other multi-link proofs: Calls were received from FL77. These passengers were identified as having boarded the flight. There's another link that the jet is who American Airlines and the FAA says it is.

This game can be played all day long, but the point is that Ultima needs to grow intellectually before he can understand it. The concept of multiple converging lines of evidence seems to not be part of his intellectual toolkit, hence his insistance on serial numbers. In the face of other single, direct links between debris and the jet (again, I point at the FDR), he still insists on that. And it's all because he does not want to deal with the idea that there are multiple lines of evidence and that they all converge on the same conclusion, which is counter to his.

 

[ULTIMA1]

What makes you think it hasn't already been found to the best of our investigative agencies' ability?

Well if they have then they have not released much.

So believers that keep stating they know what heppened that day are being very dishonest.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Yeah, no kidding. Ultima wants a 1-hop identification, but ignores the FDR. Okay, fine.

I am not ignoring the FDR but it takes more then just the FDR to be proof in a crime scene investigation.