The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

[DOC]

Didn't I asked politely. Why aren't you answering the question?

Okay. So why did you use the term "Jew Website" again? Please.

Because that is what came into my mind at the time. If that is offensive to some people then I'm sorry, that was not my intention or belief. As I have said, I have nothing against the Jewish people, especially since Christ, all the 12 apostles, Mary, and maybe the world's greatest evangelist (Paul) were all Jewish.

ETA: But the above fact about them all being Jewish does give some support to Geisler's Reason 10 from my other thread:

Reason #10

The New Testament Writers Abandoned Their Long Held Sacred Beliefs and Practices, Adopted New Ones, And Did Not Deny Their Testimony Under Persecution Or Threat Of Death

 

[paximperium]

Because that is what came into my mind at the time. If that is offensive to some people then I'm sorry, that was not my intention or belief. As I have said, I have nothing against the Jewish people, especially since Christ, all the 12 apostles, Mary, and maybe the world's greatest evangelist (Paul) were all Jewish.

Good. Now that wasn't too difficult now was it?
Now back to the OP.

 

[Lucian]

How did anyone know she's a virgin? Did they look?

In one of the apocryphal gospels, someone did. It's the Gospel of James (may also be known by other names). A skeptical midwife checks Mary out after the birth. Her hand becomes withered; she repents, and her hand is restored. The gospel also affirms that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Given the withering propensities of her naughty bits (holy bits?), I'm not at all surprised.

BTW I think this is an accurate description of the Virgin Postpartum Pelvic Exam in the Gospel of St. James, but I don't have my apocryphal NT about my person, so I can't check right now.

 

[Cleon]

But Sir William Mitchell Ramsay and William Albright knew a lot about archaeology.

http://www.faithbasedonfacts.org/main/?q=node/84

For the time, perhaps. But that was 100 years ago.

For comparison, think about how much medicine has changed in that time. And physics, engineering, and so on. Now apply those changes to archaeology.

Their opinions aren't so impressive anymore, are they?

 

[wollery]

Does one need to be an astrophysicist in order to discuss cosmology?

Just asking...

I am an astrophysicist, so I say to DOC, bring it on.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

In one of the apocryphal gospels, someone did. It's the Gospel of James (may also be known by other names). A skeptical midwife checks Mary out after the birth. Her hand becomes withered; she repents, and her hand is restored. The gospel also affirms that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Given the withering propensities of her naughty bits (holy bits?), I'm not at all surprised.

BTW I think this is an accurate description of the Virgin Postpartum Pelvic Exam in the Gospel of St. James, but I don't have my apocryphal NT about my person, so I can't check right now.

What have you got the internets for? Things like the Infancy Gospel of James (AKA Protoevengelium of James) can easily be had online:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancyjames-roberts.html
The virginity check is in chapter 20.

And Salome put in her finger, and cried out, and said: Woe is me for mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God; and, behold, my hand is dropping off as if burned with fire.​

 

[wollery]

In one of the apocryphal gospels, someone did. It's the Gospel of James (may also be known by other names). A skeptical midwife checks Mary out after the birth. Her hand becomes withered; she repents, and her hand is restored. The gospel also affirms that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Given the withering propensities of her naughty bits (holy bits?), I'm not at all surprised.

BTW I think this is an accurate description of the Virgin Postpartum Pelvic Exam in the Gospel of St. James, but I don't have my apocryphal NT about my person, so I can't check right now.

How would you be able to tell after the birth?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.

Was that before or after he said all the supernatural stuff in the Bible was crap?

I thought he was sincere when he said that, why would I give the link if I didn't believe that. I'm not that stupid to give a pack of wolves that I know would give their wisdom teeth to find anything on me something to ad hom about.

But now after reading it over I see he probably was being sarcastic. Sometimes I'm too focused on the subject matter to perceive any dry and sly attack the messenger comments.

Joobz is always saying how I dislike long posts of others and that is true. That's why I try to keep mine as short and succint as possible.

Maybe we should adopt the yrreg strategy with doc and put in GIANT CAPITAL LETTERS at the beginning of any post containing a joke or sarcasm:

INTENDED AS HUMOR. DO NOT TAKE SERIOUSLY.

 

[tsig]

My 3200+ posts speak for themselves. I'll be quite content if people looking for facts about Christianity read each and every one of them. If they are concerned about a fact, most of them are easy to verify. If they make a sincere attempt to verify them themselves and can't find an answer they are welcome to question me about it in a polite manner.

You mean your posts here are sacred writ?

 

[joobz]

You mean your posts here are sacred writ?

He's actually reminding us that we all must have taken at least 3200 drinks, equally 25 gallons.

It looks like I'm gonna need a couple kegs...

 

[tsig]

In one of the apocryphal gospels, someone did. It's the Gospel of James (may also be known by other names). A skeptical midwife checks Mary out after the birth. Her hand becomes withered; she repents, and her hand is restored. The gospel also affirms that Mary was a perpetual virgin. Given the withering propensities of her naughty bits (holy bits?), I'm not at all surprised.

BTW I think this is an accurate description of the Virgin Postpartum Pelvic Exam in the Gospel of St. James, but I don't have my apocryphal NT about my person, so I can't check right now.

So that's why we have the OT thundering, slaughtering and destroying god vs the NT forgiving and mild god.

Here's James:
"And the midwife cried aloud and said: Great unto me to-day is this day, in that ! have seen this new sight. 3 And the midwife went forth of the cave and Salome met her. And she said to her: Salome, Salome, a new sight have I to tell thee. A virgin hath brought forth, which her nature alloweth not. And Salome said: As the Lord my God liveth, if I make not trial and prove her nature I will not believe that a virgin hath brought forth.

XX. 1 And the midwife went in and said unto Mary: Order thyself, for there is no small contention arisen concerning thee. Arid Salome made trial and cried out and said: Woe unto mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God, and lo, my hand falleth away from me in fire. And she bowed her knees unto the Lord, saying: O God of my fathers, remember that I am the seed of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob: make me not a public example unto the children of Israel, but restore me unto the poor, for thou knowest, Lord, that in thy name did I perform my cures, and did receive my hire of thee. 3 And lo, an angel of the Lord appeared, saying unto her: Salome, Salome, the Lord hath hearkened to thee: bring thine hand near unto the young child and take him up, and there shall be unto thee salvation and joy. 4 And Salome came near and took him up, saying: I will do him worship, for a great king is born unto Israel. And behold immediately Salome was healed:"

http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/gospels/gosjames.htm

 

[yy2bggggs]

How did anyone know she's a virgin? Did they look?

Technically, the problem is how they would even know something significant was happening in the first place. But, yeah, it's worth humoring this point to get to the more colorful question.

 

[Lucian]

What have you got the internets for? Things like the Infancy Gospel of James (AKA Protoevengelium of James) can easily be had online:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancyjames-roberts.html
The virginity check is in chapter 20.

And Salome put in her finger, and cried out, and said: Woe is me for mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God; and, behold, my hand is dropping off as if burned with fire.​

Yeah, well, I was waiting for a rather religious student to show up, and I didn't want to be caught reading (and giggling over) heresy.

 

[Lothian]

But Sir William Mitchell Ramsay and William Albright knew a lot about archaeology.

http://www.faithbasedonfacts.org/main/?q=node/84

Are these the "famous" archeologists? Can you provide me with what they actually said?

William Ramsey said that Paul could be considered a great historian as long as you ignored all the supernatural stuff he came out with.

I will leave you to guess which part of that Doc tends to leave out when he quotes him.

If you want a link I can dig it out, I provided it in the "lack of evidence for the new testament" thread,

 

[zooterkin]

What have you got the internets for? Things like the Infancy Gospel of James (AKA Protoevengelium of James) can easily be had online:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancyjames-roberts.html
The virginity check is in chapter 20.

And Salome put in her finger, and cried out, and said: Woe is me for mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God; and, behold, my hand is dropping off as if burned with fire.​

So, even if it were true, it's not proof of virginity, but perhaps proof that God didn't want the virginity questioned.

 

[Dorfl]

How did anyone know she's a virgin? Did they look?

I thought that the possibility of checking a woman's virginity by examination was basically a myth. It would be nice if one of the forum's medical professionals could verify this, but according to wiki (possible NSFW) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen:

It is not possible to confirm that a woman is a virgin by examining her hymen.

 

[zooterkin]

How did anyone know she's a virgin? Did they look?

I expect she told them. She was the Mother of God. She wouldn't lie, would she?

 

[paximperium]

I thought that the possibility of checking a woman's virginity by examination was basically a myth. It would be nice if one of the forum's medical professionals could verify this, but according to wiki (possible NSFW) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen:

It is actually the reverse. If there is a hymen, the woman/girl is very likely a virgin but if a hymen is torn or missing, it may have occured even without sex.

 

[Dorfl]

It is actually the reverse. If there is a hymen, the woman/girl is very likely a virgin but if a hymen is torn or missing, it may have occured even without sex.

Ok, but at least it would not be possible to prove that she was not a virgin, if she claimed to be one.

 

[Evolved Wookie]

...is it just me that can't exorcise the image of DOC in a blue bobble hat and red coat saying "screw you guys, I'm going home!"?