The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

paximperium said:
Joobz, is DOC lying again or is this true?
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Actually, he is telling the truth on this point.
In the past, he'd frequently give the tldr defense.

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Funny thing is this post:
DOC said:
I thought he was sincere when he said that, why would I give the link if I didn't believe that. I'm not that stupid to give a pack of wolves that I know would give their wisdom teeth to find anything on me something to ad hom about.

But now after reading it over I see he probably was being sarcastic. Sometimes I'm too focused on the subject matter to perceive any dry and sly attack the messenger comments.

Joobz is always saying how I dislike long posts of others and that is true. That's why I try to keep mine as short and succint as possible.
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Is 107 words long. It would have been much clearer and much more succintly said had he posted: "Oops, I was wrong."


Sort of exposes the falseness to his claim to be brief when using Jew instead of Jewish, don't you think?
 
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yy2bggggs said:
Yeah, all they had to do was quite simply report the observed fact that Jesus was conceived of a virgin, for example. Let's ignore, though, how it is that they would have witnessed the virgin birth.

There seems to be quite a bit of stuff written about Jesus in the NT, by the way, that the writers couldn't possibly have observed (e.g., what Jesus does when nobody else is around--remember, if they were witnesses, they must have been around).

Naive people like myself could be led to believe that the writers did, in fact, not witness those events--without even needing to appeal to things like inconvenient historical data. It's as if it's written specifically to demonstrate that Jesus was the Messiah.

But oh, how many things they wrote that fulfilled the prophecies! Could there be something to those events that the authors could not have possibly known, but wrote about?

(Let's also ignore that the "prophecies" were about other things... they are only prophecies insofar as it was a common belief that the holy texts had multiple interpretations--such as the ones the authors had in mind).
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How did anyone know she's a virgin? Did they look?
 
Fireshadow said:
If there's anything I've learned from reading these threads, it's that DOC is incapable of admitting he's wrong, even when there are mountains of evidence showing that.
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Joobz will also tell you this is a false statement.
 
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DOC said:
But you will admit I've claimed to be wrong at least twice?
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And that proves what?
What is your Honesty (lies/never admitting being wrong:honesty/admission of error) Ratio?
 
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DOC said:
But you will admit I've claimed to be wrong at least twice?

ETA: And those times had nothing to do with the link you brought in.
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Claiming you have admitted error isn't the same thing as admitting error whenever you are wrong.
I gave an example of a time when you refused to admit error. I think it is fully appropriate.


I will also happily state that you have admitted error. Unfortunately, for you, those were in regards to substantive issues.
 
paximperium said:
And that proves what?
What are your Honesty (lies/never admitting being wrong:honesty/admission of error) Ratio?
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My 3200+ posts speak for themselves. I'll be quite content if people looking for facts about Christianity read each and every one of them. If they are concerned about a fact, most of them are easy to verify. If they make a sincere attempt to verify them themselves and can't find an answer they are welcome to question me about it in a polite manner.
 
Ok, maybe I made a hasty generalization. Incapable is a bit unfair. It has been my impression, however, that especially in regard to your pet points, you have a marked tendency to hem and haw, misdirect, dodge, deflect and otherwise do anything in your power to avoid admitting your mistakes, unless confronted with incontrovertable evidence (ETA: and even then, it's unlikely). This is my perception, and nothing I've read thus far has done anything to change that. When you show a willingness to address the valid criticisms of your points by people such as Hokulele, joobz, paximperium, six7s and others without dodging the questions, introducing irrelevant information, or falling on old, tired, oft-refuted arguments, then my perception will change. Until that time, I will hold to that opinion. But I'm willing to be shown otherwise.
 
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DOC said:
My 3200+ posts speak for themselves. I'll be quite content if people looking for facts about Christianity read each and every one of them. If they are concerned about a fact, most of them are easy to verify. If they make a sincere attempt to verify them themselves and can't find an answer they are welcome to question me about it in a polite manner.
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Okay. So why did you use the term "Jew Website" again? Please.
 
Cleon said:
Once again, you show your dishonesty by omitting a very significant part of Lothian's post:

IOW, Lothian was intentionally lying when he said "your clear logical arguments are breath of fresh air."

More accurately, he was being sarcastic. And you are now being dishonest. Which seems to be your only course of action.

Seriously. Did you really think you weren't going to get caught?
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See, again I'm convinced that he's pulling an Andy Kaufmann on us. Who else would pull a quote like that, link to it knowing that the very post refutes his very claim?


Or, he's trying to get us all very, very drunk.
 
DOC said:
My 3200+ posts speak for themselves. I'll be quite content if people looking for facts about Christianity read each and every one of them. If they are concerned about a fact, most of them are easy to verify. If they make a sincere attempt to verify them themselves and can't find an answer they are welcome to question me about it in a polite manner.
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And my 13,600+ posts speak for themselves. That makes me a more reliable source than you, I guess, huh?

/me takes a swig of Wild Turkey
 
joobz said:
Why would you ask such a Jew question? Are you a Jew Lawyer? Maybe you've been watching too much of the jew media.
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Because he is jewing his promise to answer questions if someone asked politely.
 
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