no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[TJM]

Any debunker still posting is just doing so in a pathetic attempt to pretend to get the last word.

My word was the last word on this.

Don't stay up all night.

Sure. Comeback tomorrow and tell me what Danielle O'Brien means by "unidentified".

 

[Baylor]

My word was the last word on this.

Then perhaps you care to explain why you called the serial number a "random number".

 

[KreeL]

Time change part numbers are kept on maintenance records. There are hundreds of them on every plane. Show one that matches up with FL77 and you get a Twinkie. If you don't, you have no proof.

 

[apathoid]

Time change part numbers are kept on maintenance records. There are hundreds of them on every plane. Show one that matches up with FL77 and you get a Twinkie. If you don't, you have no proof.

Someone has been hanging out at PfffT!

I think I may be able to do it. Can you give me an example of a "time-change part" that should have survived a 530 mph crash? I'll get you the part number and serial number installed, but you have to do an FOIA request for any and all information, including photos pertaining to the part in question. Then we'll match my information, to your information. Deal? And do you promise to hold up your end of the bargain, unlike another member here(I wont name names...cough...Heiwa...cough)?

Time to solve the mystery, Kreel. It's up to you.

 

[KreeL]

Someone has been hanging out at PfffT!

I think I may be able to do it. Can you give me an example of a "time-change part" that should have survived a 530 mph crash? I'll get you the part number and serial number installed, but you have to do an FOIA request for any and all information, including photos pertaining to the part in question. Then we'll match my information, to your information. Deal? And do you promise to hold up your end of the bargain, unlike another member here(I wont name names...cough...Heiwa...cough)?

Time to solve the mystery, Kreel. It's up to you.

"Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible." -- George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

pwnd.

 

[jhunter1163]

"Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible." -- George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

pwnd.

Isn't that the good colonel who supports this Donn de Grand-Pre nuttery? The colonel who hasn't been shown to actually, you know, exist?

 

[TJM]

"Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible." -- George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

pwnd.

Is there any stronger facepalm than the Picard Two Handed Facepalm with a Quarter Data Back? I think not!

 

[apathoid]

"Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible." -- George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

pwnd.

Are you up to it or not? This isn't a thought exercise. Name your "time-change part" that should be the most survivable and I'll found out the part number and serial number that should have been on AA77. But you have to do the rest, ok?

This wouldn't be the first time I solved one of the twoof movements great unsolved mysteries, Kreel. We can do this!

 

[KreeL]

Part numbers? I'm not seeing any forthcoming. Maybe apathoid can dig some out of somewhere. Sure would be nice so that the faithbased crowd would have at least a little bit of proof of the OCT.

 

[Arus808]

Part numbers? I'm not seeing any forthcoming. Maybe apathoid can dig some out of somewhere. Sure would be nice so that the faithbased crowd would have at least a little bit of proof of the OCT.

its yoru claim you prove it. you provide the part numbers. we know that flight 77 hit the pentagon, so we dont need the part numbers

since you dont think its flight 77 the onus is on you to prove that it wasn't. that means instead of trolling this forum with your ignorance, you should start working on those FOIA requests. hop to it.


anyone wanna place bets that KREEL will just only post here and not do anything?

 

[KreeL]

No, you SAY with faith that FL77 hit the Pentagon. You have no solid proof. In fact the gov't conspiracy is mixed with plane disintegration/not disintegration -- plane solid/plane liquid -- totally obliterated/not totally obliterated -- lots of parts/hardly any parts -- flies in at an angle/flies in straight ...etc. etc. etc..

So please clarify with showing us the one sparkling bit of proof that proves to you that FL77 hit the Pentagon.

 

[ULTIMA1]

The plane parts

No reports matching parts to AA77.

The witnesses

Witnesses are the most unrelaible for evidence.

 

[jhunter1163]

Arus, if I were you, I wouldn't waste any more 0's and 1's on Kreel. He's a troll, and not even a very good one.

 

[ULTIMA1]

we know that flight 77 hit the pentagon, so we dont need the part numbers

How do you know it was AA77 when most of the evidence and reports have not been released?

 

[beachnut]

Edx, although you could find it using the search funtion, I'll explain one more time why part serial number are generally collected by Investigators the during an ACCIDENT (key word here) Investigation.

The NTSB examines parts to determine if those parts might have been the cause or contributed to the accident. Some parts have serial numbers, some don't. Also, there are critical time change parts that airline maintenance are suppose to change on a schedule. Occasionally, the FAA or the AF (for AF Aircraft) mandates parts changes due to known problems. The FAA issues ADs while the AF issues TCTOs for this.

Consequently, Accident Investigators need those serial numbers to determine if an AD or TCTO needs to be issued in case that part contributed to the accident. As well, they determine if the Airline or AF Maintenance changed the time change part on schedule.

Neither agency records part numbers to identify the aircraft as that is normally already known by other means.

The aircraft involved in 9/11 were NOT ACCIDENTS, they were deliberate intentional crashes. Therefore, the FBI not the NTSB was the lead investigating agency. The investigations were NOT Accident Investigations, but Criminal Investigations. I don't think anyone knows if the FBI recorded any part numbers, but there seem to be none in the public record.

This is a common troofer "gotcha" as they know no part numbers are in the public domain. They then either imply or directly say "this indicates someone has something to hide" or it's evidence of "an inside jobby job".

This stuff originated with George Nelson, Col, USAF Retired who issued a statement to include much of what I've stated above. However, he embellished the story with "trutherisms" to imply that it was very suspicious that these part serial numbers were not recorded indicating nefarious action.

Nelson's opinion is in part due to his Vietnam experience in which some aircraft were only identified by part serial numbers. These would include those aircraft not in formation, with a single pilot, or a case in which all crew members were killed. Frequently, there was no other way to identify the aircraft because most of the flying was in a non-radar environment, most AF combat aircraft do not have an FDR on board, and DNA identification did not exist.

Your best argument is to demand the Regulation/Instruction that specifies that part numbers are specifically used to prove aircraft identity or that these serial numbers in any way are required to identify a crashed aircraft. Troofer opinions don't count to include George Nelson's implications.

Poor Col Nelson must of hated pilots...

Two's in. Did they pay us too? I can't remember...

Unable to comprehend math, physics, research, rational thought or find the FDR information stored in the FDR found in the Pentagon; 911Truth is fact and evidence free for 7 years, 8 months, and 2 days.

From the FDR we have a tail numbers which Col Nelson can't find. He must still be looking for the forms.

# American Airlines Flight 77 Pentagon
# 9/11/01 Boeing 757 N644AA
# Revision: January 28 2002 January 29 2002
# National Transportation Safety Board
# Date Printed: January 29 2002

# American Airlines Flight 77 Pentagon 9/11/01 Boeing 757 N644AA
# Revision: January 28 2002 January 29 2002 National Transportation Safety Board

It is flight 11; the FDR was found in the Pentagon.
The data proves it took off where 77 took off on 911, and the flight path takes it to the Pentagon where the FDR was found. The same place were RADAR followed 77 to; the Pentagon.

At least we have 911Truth working hard to find evidence outside the orchard of stupid ...

Is the shirt free?

Evidence is so easy to find but you have to get up and find it.
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
You could use the Internet to find evidence if you are able to filter out the dirt dumb 911Truth delusions.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

How do you know it was AA77 when most of the evidence and reports have not been released?

How do we know it was ACTUALLY the Titanic that struck an iceberg and sank? I haven't seen a single damn serial number, I DEMAND a new investigation.

Still waiting for the beilevers to post faxcts an evdience

 

[240-185]

Is there any stronger facepalm than the Picard Two Handed Facepalm with a Quarter Data Back? I think not!

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There's the HeadDesk!

 

[T.A.M.]

Guys;

HI and Kreel do not believe the evidence the FBI and others collected is real. They do not believe any of it is real unless they can touch it, or view it with their own eyes. You can not have a rational argument with these people. It is pointless, and they are purposely baiting you into it. HI has even admitted it.

Seriously, you cannot have anything approaching a RATIONAL discussion with people who call all of the evidence faked...

TAM

 

[Lenbrazil]

Why are serial numbers needed for 911?

As part of the criminal investigation to verify the planes, as is done with most investigations done by the NTSB when they do a reconstruction.

Go back to pg 4 I demonstrated that, as others have told you - execpt for CVR's and FDR's the NTSB rarely (if ever)includes the serial numbers of parts NOT suspected having played a part in the crash. Their database is searchable please point us to any cases where this has been done.

Even if it were NTSB SOP, they were not the lead agency, the FBI was and they very rarely release their reports to public

Why? Can you show me the regulation and source?

Already shown.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Abt_NTSB/invest.htm
In cases of suspected criminal activity, other agencies may participate in the investigation. The Safety Board does not investigate criminal activity; in the past, once it has been established that a transportation tragedy is, in fact, a criminal act, the FBI becomes the lead federal investigative body, with the NTSB providing any requested support.

1) That isn't the actual regulation but rather a description of it

2) It indicates the NTSB only participates when "requested"

3) It doesn't say specificlly the NTSB is required to assist but I can't imagine them denying such a request

I fail to see the relevance of this The was the leas the NTSB AFAIK did provide "requested support" for all 4 crashes.

 

[Lenbrazil]

Guys;

HI and Kreel do not believe the evidence the FBI and others collected is real. They do not believe any of it is real unless they can touch it, or view it with their own eyes. You can not have a rational argument with these people. It is pointless, and they are purposely baiting you into it. HI has even admitted it.

Seriously, you cannot have anything approaching a RATIONAL discussion with people who call all of the evidence faked...

TAM

I agree other than Metamars, Redford and perhaps a few others the Truthers here are completely irrational, I assume them to be kids who over estimate their intelligence or adults with psychiatric problems