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The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

In my thread "Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth" that is currently in the History and Literature forum we touch briefly on Isaiah Chapter 53 of the Bible. Since it deals with prophecy I thought I'd bring it to the Religion forum to take a closer look at this biblical chapter. In the book "Examine the Evidence" author Ralph Muncas examines this chapter on pages 332 - 335. Let's take a look at it. The author uses the New International version of the bible. The numbers to the left are a listing of specific prophecies and not the verse number.

Isaiah Chapter 53

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.

1 He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

2 He was despised and rejected by men,

3 a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.

4 Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

5 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,

6 yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

7 But he was pierced for our transgressions,

8 he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

9 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

10 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;

11 he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,

12 and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

13 By oppression [a] and judgment he was taken away.

14 And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

15 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,

16 and with the rich in his death,

17 though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

18 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,

19 he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

20 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;

21 by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

22 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,

23 and he will divide the spoils with the strong,

24 because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.

25 For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

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The author explains each one but I will just show some of his explanations.

1) Jesus came to human beings in a fashion that would seem unattractive -- as a baby. He worked as an ordinary carpenter (unmajestic).

9) He spoke of himself as giving his life for the "sheep". All human sin was borne by him.

10) When he was oppressed at his trial, he would not open his mouth except as legally required.

14) He was "stricken" for the transgressions (sin) of many.

15) He was crucified with 2 criminals and was supposed to be buried with them.

16) A rich man, Joseph of Arimathea, asked for Jesus' body and placed it in his own tomb.

23) He divided the "spoils" with the "strong" (believers would prosper eternally).

Well let us see, the authors of the early gospels were jews raised in the jewish tradition, so they may have made a deliberate attempt to make it look as though jesus matched the prophecies of isiah.

I mean really it is not as though the writers of the gospels were conducting a history lesson now is it, it is more similar to the way that in literature an author will reference earlier works.

It is fairly well known that the rabbis worked very hard for consistency and self referenced the Torah all the time.

It is sort of like John McCain saying he is like Ronald Regan.
 
Again, it's Harry Potter!

13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

All the Gryffindors, Ravenclaws, and Hufflepuffs loved Harry, as did the rest of the non-Voldemort supporters of the wizarding world, and the goblins, and the house-elves...
14 As many were astonished at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

Harry, of course, had the famous lightning-shape scar on his forehead. He also had a variety of injuries: the basilisk bite and the broken arm (and subsequent bone-dissolution) just to name a couple.
15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Ministers of Magic Fudge and Scrimgeour both sought out audiences with HP; both saw & considered things that had not been told or had not heard...

Whattdya say, DOC? Gotta be HP, right?
 
Well let us see, the authors of the early gospels were jews raised in the jewish tradition, so they may have made a deliberate attempt to make it look as though jesus matched the prophecies of isiah.
Fixed it for you! (an excellent point, by the way. *Should be*, but unfortunately is not, exceedingly obvious to all but the most casual observers.)

I mean really it is not as though the writers of the gospels were conducting a history lesson now is it, it is more similar to the way that in literature an author will reference earlier works.

It is fairly well known that the rabbis worked very hard for consistency and self referenced the Torah all the time.

It is sort of like John McCain saying he is like Ronald Reagan.
And about equally as accurate. That is to say, not.
 
Um...coming into this world as a baby is unattractive? What? how else should he have done it? UPS?


On a completely related note, I'm so happy to see yet another DOC thread starting. I'm going to start a DOC drinking game. Take a drink of the beverage of your choice whenever any of the following are posted by DOC.
1) Thomas Jefferson saying that "Jesus was the most moral man...EVER!!!!!!1111!!!oneeleventy"
2) A reference to DOC's post count
3) A reference to the response count of any of DOC's previous threads.
4) any mention of Lee Strobel
5) Native Americans are better off because of Christians coming to the new world.
6) Christianity getting people off of drugs
7) 98% of Atheists not knowing about the big bang
8) Evolution being "absurd"
9) Any complete dodge of a direct question - this is a sipping offense due to frequency
10) "DOC is a liar post that adds no value"
11) misuse of logical fallacy

I'm sure that other veterans of DOC's threads will be able to add to this list.
Now for the "finish the bottle" offenses
1) DOC admitting that his logic was faulty
2) Him admitting that he may have been misled
3) Answering a direct question directly, without evasion or delay

Now, the final rule is that if you play this, you must post in this thread. If nothing else, it'll make the later posts WAY more entertaining.

No mention of the parade of Christian Martyrs? Disappointing. :(

Take two demerits.
 
“1 He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.”
And yet Jesus is often described as being a perfect sinless being white as snow.


“2 He was despised and rejected by men”
You mean apart from the fact that he is said to have had followers during his entire ministry.
Apart from the fact that it’s he who rejects his mother and tell his followers to reject their families.

“3 a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.”
Show one verse that tells of Jesus being made to suffer before his trial and crucifixion.
What sorrows, he was never sick in the gospels, he fasted for 40 days of his own accord, when did he starve other wise?

“4 Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.”
You mean apart from the crowd that listened to him during the sermon on the mount, no one through stones at him did they.
Or when he admonished the crowd that was stoning the adulteress (everybody must get stoned) they stopped because of his word, not esteemed, bull.

“11 he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,”
The phrase implies that the victim goes to be killed unaware of what is to come.
But Jesus repeatedly told his disciples that he would be sacrificed .
Do you mind addressing these points
I dare you to ask your preacher about them.
 
You know, there were prophecies that came true in Harry Potter. For example, professor Trelawney prophecied that "neither can live while the other survives;" and sure enough, Harry wound up killing Voldemort.

Oh...man...couldn't you have put that in a spoiler?!

Next thing you know, you'll be giving away the ending to Titanic!


(Yes, I am just kidding.)

Maybe we should hold a contest. What figure does a much better job than Jesus in "fulfilling" the 25 prophecies? My first thought was Giordanni Bruno. (sp?)
 
The New International Version of Isaiah was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls???????

Now that's a miracle I might be able to get behind.

ETA: By the way, you silly anachronistic Potterites, Isaiah is clearly talking about Prometheus.
 
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In my thread "Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth" that is currently in the History and Literature forum we touch briefly on Isaiah Chapter 53 of the Bible. Since it deals with prophecy I thought I'd bring it to the Religion forum to take a closer look at this biblical chapter. In the book "Examine the Evidence" author Ralph Muncas examines this chapter on pages 332 - 335. Let's take a look at it. The author uses the New International version of the bible. The numbers to the left are a listing of specific prophecies and not the verse number.

Speaking of prophecy, didn't Jesus have the wrong name ?
 
In my thread "Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth" that is currently in the History and Literature forum we touch briefly on Isaiah Chapter 53 of the Bible. Since it deals with prophecy I thought I'd bring it to the Religion forum to take a closer look at this biblical chapter. In the book "Examine the Evidence" author Ralph Muncas examines this chapter on pages 332 - 335. Let's take a look at it. The author uses the New International version of the bible. The numbers to the left are a listing of specific prophecies and not the verse number.


[List of prophesies and stuff]


Its Darth Vader! The Bible talks about Darth Vader!
 
No mention of the parade of Christian Martyrs? Disappointing. :(

Take two demerits.

Um...coming into this world as a baby is unattractive? What? how else should he have done it? UPS?


On a completely related note, I'm so happy to see yet another DOC thread starting. I'm going to start a DOC drinking game. Take a drink of the beverage of your choice whenever any of the following are posted by DOC.
1) Thomas Jefferson saying that "Jesus was the most moral man...EVER!!!!!!1111!!!oneeleventy"
2) A reference to DOC's post count
3) A reference to the response count of any of DOC's previous threads.
4) any mention of Lee Strobel
5) Native Americans are better off because of Christians coming to the new world.
6) Christianity getting people off of drugs
7) 98% of Atheists not knowing about the big bang
8) Evolution being "absurd"
9) Any complete dodge of a direct question - this is a sipping offense due to frequency
10) "DOC is a liar post that adds no value"
11) misuse of logical fallacy
12) Parading of Christian martyrs

I'm sure that other veterans of DOC's threads will be able to add to this list.
Now for the "finish the bottle" offenses
1) DOC admitting that his logic was faulty
2) Him admitting that he may have been misled
3) Answering a direct question directly, without evasion or delay

Now, the final rule is that if you play this, you must post in this thread. If nothing else, it'll make the later posts WAY more entertaining.

the bolding was added for you in accordance with the italicized part.

Now, get to drinkin'
 

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