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The Heiwa Challenge

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tfk said:
I can't figure out why he's weaseling around this issue.

It's not as if his reply #416 is any secret. Where he says:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4623727&postcount=416
"No prize in The Heiwa Challenge. Just honour."

I fully expected that he had rescinded his prize money, and was simply trying to get him to confirm or deny this.

Because if he HAS rescinded his prize money, he's in for a rather rude surprise.

It turns out that ole Bill Smith is still posting around the internet that Heiwa is offering $1 million.

And Bill's posting this anonymously, WHILE SIGNING HEIWA's NAME to the posts.

I figured that Mr. Bjorkmann might want to know that.

I thought he'd be grateful to me...

tom
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To adopt a phrase from the late (now banned pom) he's a conspiracy LIAR. he is pathologically incapable of telling the truth.
 
Heiwa said:
??? The Heiwa Challenge conditions are quite clear! Pls read post #1.

What kind of structure are you putting up?

Pls ask your religious fundamentalist secret society for support to get it together.
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Dodge much Heiwa? When a person(s) create a structure agreeable to both parties and the structure progressively collapses onto the ground until it is left as a rubble pile, are you paying the challenger who built the structure $1million dollars?
 
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MIKILLINI said:
Dodge much Heiwa? When a person(s) create a structure agreeable to both parties and the structure progressively collapses onto the ground until it is left as a rubble pile, are you paying the challenger who built the structure $1million dollars?
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See post #1.
 
Hey Heiwa,

How about a simple answer.

Are you offering $1 million or not?

It AIN'T that hard a question.

tk
 
tfk said:
Hey Heiwa,

How about a simple answer.

Are you offering $1 million or not?

It AIN'T that hard a question.

tk
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Evidently not in The Heiwa Challenge as per post #1 of this thread. But $1M was mentioned in another thread as encouragement, which see.

Pls keep to topic of thread.
 
Heiwa said:
Evidently not in The Heiwa Challenge as per post #1 of this thread. But $1M was mentioned in another thread as encouragement, which see.

Pls keep to topic of thread.
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Perhaps, then, you could start a new thread - I would suggest "Heiwa's Million Dollar Challenge" as a thread title, to avoid any ambiguity - in which you could reiterate the conditions to which the million dollar offer, which you admit above to having made, will be subject. Failure to do so, after a reasonable request for clarification, might be reasonably taken as an admission that at no time had you any intention of honouring your offer.

Dave
 
Heiwa said:
Evidently not in The Heiwa Challenge as per post #1 of this thread. But $1M was mentioned in another thread as encouragement, which see.

Pls keep to topic of thread.
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Heiwa,

Neither one of these sentence fragments is an answer to the question that I asked.

I cannot imagine that there would be any reason for you to be this evasive? Either there is a $1 million prize, or there is not.

If there are people who are pursuing this task, it is certainly in your interest to be crystal clear about this issue AHEAD of time. Rather than getting a bunch of people into a legal fur-ball after the fact.

There is a lovely old Shaker hymn, "tis a joy to be simple". You should take a lesson from it.

Honest people speak directly, clearly, simply.
Lawyers, politicians & shysters play games with words.

You are destroying any lingering shred of credibility by playing this purposeless game.

tk
 
Heiwa said:
Evidently not in The Heiwa Challenge as per post #1 of this thread. But $1M was mentioned in another thread as encouragement, which see.

Pls keep to topic of thread.
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From this thread
Heiwa said:
See post #1 above.

BTW I'll pay you $1M if you can produce a structure that can be crushed like that. Suteki desu ne!? Get working!
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Now this appears to be an offer to only HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP, however later (and still in this thread) you wrote:

Heiwa said:
The reason why I offer $1M to anybody that can disprove my axiom, &c, is as follows:

It is very simple to model a One-way Crush down process. Take an object A and put in on the ground and then another object C. You drop C on A and A is crushed.

Why is that?
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So you offered $1 million in this thread. So it is on topic to ask if you are actually offering the money.

We all know the answer, we just want to see if you can say it without resorting to word games.
 
ihaunter said:
From this thread

Now this appears to be an offer to only HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP, however later (and still in this thread) you wrote:



So you offered $1 million in this thread. So it is on topic to ask if you are actually offering the money.

We all know the answer, we just want to see if you can say it without resorting to word games.
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Yes, offer was in connection with my famous axiom (in another thread). It seems nobody managed to prove it wrong. I agree The Heiwa Challenge is related - but in the Heiwa Challenge you really have to produce a structure that will self-destruct*. It is not possible as per my axiom but you can always try. Myriad in another thread is really trying.

*>70% of the elements must be fully disconnected from one another. Not so easy!
 
Is anybody here actually surprized that there was never really a million dollars to begin with? I suspected this was the case, given the little information we know about Heiwa. Can't be alot of $$$ in investigating ship accidents as a private contractor(lets face it, the NTSB and their EU counterparts have probably got the market cornered).

How about this idea: Heiwa re-proposes his challenge to say $25,000, enough to cover Myriad's expenses. Got 25K lying around Heiwa?
 
I think it only fair that if Myriad beats Heiwa's challenge, Heiwa should at least pay for the costs of the necessary components.
 
1337m4n said:
I think it only fair that if Myriad beats Heiwa's challenge, Heiwa should at least pay for the costs of the necessary components.
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Too bad the requirements of the challenge keep changing.

"I'll give you X if you do Y"

"What I meant was I'll give you X if you do Y + Z"

"What I meant was I said I'd give someone X if you do Y + Z + A + B + C"...
 
nicepants said:
Too bad the requirements of the challenge keep changing.

"I'll give you X if you do Y"

"What I meant was I'll give you X if you do Y + Z"

"What I meant was I said I'd give someone X if you do Y + Z + A + B + C"...
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Conditions have not changed. Some clarifications have been given, e.g., what is an element, etc.
 
Heiwa,

You started this thread. On your own.
You offered a monetary pay-off. On your own.
You have APPARENTLY rescinded your pay-off. On your own.

SEVERAL people, including me, are simply trying to get you to clarify this confused situation.

For some reason, you are being peversely evasive.

It's a simple question.

Are you offering $1 million, here or anywhere, for someone who builds a structure that meets your "Heiwa Challenge" conditions?

Yes or no?


tk

PS. Your axiom. "... famous ..."?? Please.

Not in the opinion of anyone who actually understands engineering.
 
Heiwa said:
Yes, offer was in connection with my famous axiom (in another thread). It seems nobody managed to prove it wrong. I agree The Heiwa Challenge is related - but in the Heiwa Challenge you really have to produce a structure that will self-destruct*.
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It seems to me, therefore, that any structure satisfying the terms of the Heiwa Challenge will necessarily also disprove your axiom - in fact, the terms of the Heiwa Challenge are very much more restrictive, as they place greater constraints on the relative sizes of the two parts of the structure (your axiom only requires that the upper part be smaller than the lower if I recall correctly). Is your offer of $1M for disproof of your axiom (which any successful Challenge application will therefore necessarily do) a genuine one?

Dave
 
tfk said:
Heiwa,

You started this thread. On your own.
You offered a monetary pay-off. On your own.
You have APPARENTLY rescinded your pay-off. On your own.

SEVERAL people, including me, are simply trying to get you to clarify this confused situation.

For some reason, you are being peversely evasive.

It's a simple question.

Are you offering $1 million, here or anywhere, for someone who builds a structure that meets your "Heiwa Challenge" conditions?

Yes or no?


tk

PS. Your axiom. "... famous ..."?? Please.

Not in the opinion of anyone who actually understands engineering.
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Yes, I started the thread. No money mentioned in post # 1. It is a practical exerzise.

So far only two structures (sic) are trying to comply:

1. The psik model - a mass C is dropping on other similar masses A held in place by some support connection (a tooth pick on a vertical rod) a certain distance apart! Quite clever! C drops on top A mass, breaks the connection; thus C + one A mass drop on second A mass and break the second connection, etc. After a while the breaking of connection stops. C + A masses only manage to damage a certain number of connections. At every breaking of a connection, which takes time, there is a jolt, C slows down (energy is required to break the connection). The psik model clearly shows how top part C loses energy at every breaking of a connection ... and therefore cannot drop free fall or x% of free fall ... and C is actually slowed down.
The psik model doesn't crush down the vertical rod keeping the connections in place so it does not fullfil the Heiwa Challenge conditions.
The psik model is note really a structure in the sense of the Heiwa Challenge, but it clarifies the difficulties involved.

2. The Myriad structure - see other thread. Myriad will encounter the psik effect in his/her structure. Thus part C will be slowed down and stopped and not one-way crush down A. As the Myriad structure also includes vertical supports as elements between horizontal elements/masses, they will break but ... in only one location. Thus the Myriad structure is not a winner in the Heiwa Challenge.

Re money, yes $1M has been offered to anybody that can prove theoretically that a part C of a structure A can one-way crush down A only assisted by gravity. Prof. Bazant made an attempt only two days after 9/11 but his explanation is pure fake and fraud!! Bazant makes C rigid (not same structure as A) and then he makes A very fragile and soft and yes ... C crushes A (and A cannot crush C). So C has to be crushed when it hits ground. Bazant will not earn $1M by that!

You wonder whether prof. Bazant was/is part of the terrorist team that destroyed WTC 1! Bazant's very timely contribution was to explain that what you could see on 9/11 - the destruction of the WTCs - was just a natural phenomenon due to C dropping, in turn due to fire and local failures, one-way crushing down A. And the public believed that. Then it was easy to blame the destruction on other parties in some caves in Absurdistan. And many JREF posters still believe the Bazant absurdities.

But let's face it. It is physically impossible that part C of a structure A (A>10C) can one-way crush down A.
 
Heiwa, you've been caught making fraudulent claims of a bogus 1 million dollar offer, which you seem to have avoided on this thread.

Unless you have proof that you actually have the money, you're just a liar.

Your behavior merits being ridiculed and/or ignored, not engaged and humored.

You are clearly a fraudster. Where is the 1 million dollars? What a liar...
 
Once again, for the record, the fraudster Heiwa has accused Bazant of a fake and fraudulent explanation in his last post.

I see no reason to pull punches here. It is Heiwa who is fraudulently claiming to have 1 million dollars to award.

His attempts to link his name with someone like Bazant is rather pathetic, IMHO.

Onto ignore you go, fraudster.
 
Just to inject some lawyer-speak into this thread...

Offer (Heiwa) + Acceptance (Myriad) + Consideration ($1 mil) = Contract. The offer and terms were communicated. The offer was accepted. The acceptance was communicated. A legal contract exists.

@Heiwa. You may wish to invoke the Pepsi defence and claim that your offer was not serious.*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_v._Pepsico,_Inc.






*None of this is to be considered professional legal advice. Talk to an actual lawyer.
 
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