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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Well, the hope of blissful eternal life is one reason. Another is peace in this life: John 14:27:

"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14
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What is this "eternal life" you speak of? What concrete evidence you have that proves this "eternal life" exists?

I have peace in this life. Why would I want to disrupt that to follow your religion's rules?

Isn't this the same Jesus who said "[d]o not suppose that I come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the member of his own family"1? Doesn't sound all that peaceful to me.



1Matt 10:34-36
 
six7s said:
You're expecting anticipating a stork to arrive at teh Wollery residence?
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Yeah, he's slated for late August, but you know what these storks are like, all legs and beak and no sense of timing.
 
DOC said:
How many religions do you know that have spread rapidly and peacefully in a brutal militarily occupied land where many of the followers (including its leader) were killed (without traveling to some deserted place like the Mormons), and how many religions do you know have respected Phd's in astrophysics claim publicly for years that the religion has about 2000 fulfilled prophecies to the letter, no mistakes.

http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible

And how many religions do you know that have a person like Benny Hinn that can travel to a foreign country (like India) of a different religion and draw a million people.
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Appeal to popularity.

My question stands. Why should someone like me, for instance, believe that YOUR gut feeling is any more valuable than the gut feelings of a member of a rival religion ?

I take it you think that adding gut feelings together makes you more right than a lesser amount of gut feelings ? What would you say if your religion has fewer followers ? Don't worry, you'd find another "argument". This is why I ask my question, because I'm trying to establish what evidence one has for the truth of christianity other than pure faith. There is none.
 
DOC said:
Well, the hope of blissful eternal life is one reason. Another is peace in this life: John 14:27
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Did he mention this peace in life before or after he condemns slavery/servitude as an evil practice?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Thank You MA, it is a great privlage to celebrate Mothers Day!

But back to the main topic beofre everyone gets in trouble. The New Testament writers did tell the truth. People can argue about it all they want but if you were filled with the Holy Spirit you would know it for yourself.

Can a person know the New Testament is true without being filled with the Holy Spirit?
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You're welcome, Kathy.

If God is ultimately the author of the NT, it would have been helpful if He had written it to be understood by people who are not already in an altered state. It puts us in the position of having to believe it is true before we can tell it is true. Would you consider that to be a reasonable expectation if the proferred text were the Q'uran or Book of Mormon?
 
DOC said:
How many religions do you know that have spread rapidly and peacefully in a brutal militarily occupied land where many of the followers (including its leader) were killed (without traveling to some deserted place like the Mormons).
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Budhism?
 
Paulhoff said:
Not that christain one, ask the American Indian about it, just for one....

Paul

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The only good christian indian is a dead christian indian?

{With apologies to Phil Sheridan who didn't exactly say what I'm not exactly quoting.}
 
kmortis said:
Isn't this the same Jesus who said "[d]o not suppose that I come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the member of his own family"1? Doesn't sound all that peaceful to me.

1Matt 10:34-36
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Remember Christ lived in an evil time. I think what Christ was saying is that there would be no easy way to turn the sinful world around, you're going to have to be able to give all for the cause, even if it meant to go against your family members. And obviously, as seen by the many martyrs, many did give all for the cause.
 
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DOC said:
Remember Christ lived in an evil time. I think what Christ was saying is that there would be no easy way to turn the sinful world around, ...
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God is limited in his ability?
 
DOC said:
Remember Christ lived in an evil time. I think what Christ was saying is that there would be no easy way to turn the sinful world around, you're going to have to be able to give all for the cause, even if it meant to go against your family members. And obviously, as seen by the many martyrs, many did give all for the cause.
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Except that the Matthew passage totally contradicts one of you supposed benefits of believing in Jesus as the Christ, temporal peace. Jesus clearly stated that he's NOT a bringer of peace, but "of the sword". So, I see no benefit there.

Now, you could take the tact that if you become a True Believer, then those that knew you from your "old life" would question, sometimes to the point of violence, your "new life". This doesn't bode any better for a tactic to get me to reconvert to the ol' JC. I don't want my personal friends and family to turn against me. I've got a nice thing going right now, I don't need to upset the apple cart.

And what is your hang-up with the martyrs anyway? I swear, you must bring them up every fifth post or something. You hinting at things to come? Got a martyr complex forming? Or just like the idea of needless human suffering? IT doesn't mean that Christianity is any more true if there was one martyr or one hundred. There are martyrs in every religion. Just because someone has convinced themselves enough to die for their beliefs doesn't mean that the beliefs are any more true than any other. Just that it attracts more people who want to give up their lives.

Ok, so you have no evidence for eternal peace and temporal peace isn't guaranteed....so why would I want to convert again? What's the benefit?
 
DOC said:
Not all Native Americans are unhappy the settlers brought Christianity to America:
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Yes, every group has a few weaker minded ones.

That still doesn't take away from the fact that many where killed because the had the so-called wrong faith. And still doesn't take away from the fact that even if they did, they still would have been kill for the land, by those so-called god fearing christians.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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