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Swine Flu in Southwest USA = Excuse for Martial Law

There were 10,567 handgun homicides in the U.S. in 1990 but only 22 in Great Britain, before additional British gun control measures (yes, Britain has a smaller population of course, but clearly not that kind of ratio!). The British people, by and large, IMO, do not feel oppressed by "losing the freedom to own guns and to slaughter each other with guns".

FYI: I've never slaughtered anyone, and I spend my time shooting at paper or clay targets. The same is true for the gross majority of Americans.

I also suggest you take a look at this article.

If you think UK gun control has done anything to curb violent crime, you are grossly misinformed. The fact of the matter is, take their guns, and the animals use knives instead. Take the knives, they will use sticks and stones.

You are probably the first martial-law CT I've ever seen who advocates gun control. I mean- WTF? How, exactly, am I supposed to defend myself from the NWO? A pencil?

And, as I said, if anyone wishes to edit the 2nd amendment, we have a process for that. See also: the 21st Amendment.
 
You missed the part where we'd all snort a few lines and bypass that. :p

For what its worth, I'd make the same argument regardless of which amendment we are discussing. For example, I'd like to repeal the 16th Amendment, but until 3 out of 4 states agree with me, that's not going to happen.

Why do advocates of gun control feel entitled to invent their own process?

And for that matter, why is the FCC constitutional? I've yet to see any amendment altering the conditions of the first.

Our system was designed with change in mind- I'm all for that. But there is a good reason the process demands overwhelming support. And when it comes to guns, the support just isn't there.

Ok, enough ranting. I'm just kind of dumbfounded. This is the first time I've seen an anti-NWO CT advocate removing my guns. Just whose side are you on, Andrew?

Me, I'm with Moses:

 
zaphod2016; said:
You are probably the first martial-law CT I've ever seen who advocates gun control. I mean- WTF? How, exactly, am I supposed to defend myself from the NWO? A pencil?

Ok, enough ranting. I'm just kind of dumbfounded. This is the first time I've seen an anti-NWO CT advocate removing my guns. Just whose side are you on, Andrew?
What me, you think that I could be anti the New Age (of Aquarius), "New World Order Utopia", with World Peace plus "Harmony and Understanding, Sympathy and Trust Abounding, No more falsehoods or derision, Golden living dreams of visions, Mystic crystal revelation, And the mind's true liberation" etc.? Who could be against that? Apart from guys like Alex Jones, who is on the point of a total mental meltdown by the look of it! I am just an old Hippie, so if everybody is stoned, making love not war, everybody can just chill and stop acting so stressed out.
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So what if Aaron Russo said that his friend Nick told him that they want to chip the profane masses with RFID, I have got that thingamajig in my passport already. You cannot defend yourself against any feared NWO tyranny with a few guns; they have armies of guys with much bigger guns to wipe you out if you try to resist them violently. The only way to resist IMO (if you want to) is passively, the way the East Europeans put a stop to the Cold War nonsense, passive resistance and tell the local Elites to get lost, cos you are simply not taking it anymore.
 
Hmmmm

"they have armies of guys with much bigger guns to wipe you out"

Really so where is it?
 
Hans; said:
Hmmmm
"they have armies of guys with much bigger guns to wipe you out"
Really so where is it?
Regular armed police, SWAT, FBI and other alphabet soup WACO crushing type guys, National Guard and even regular US troops by some accounts, posse comitatus notwithstanding. Civil War would be a silly idea IMO. Chill people!
 
You cannot defend yourself against any feared NWO tyranny with a few guns

I'm not afraid of the NWO, I'm not afraid at all. But lunatics and criminals occasionally wander through suburbia looking for trouble, and this is why I believe it is always best to be prepared.

We're all in agreement here. That's why nobody's interested in stirring the pot by trying to take our guns.
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The smiley really sells this. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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What an ill-disciplined and un-socialised lot, you "gun-lovers" make your fellow countrymen sound, IMO, if you really think that "Martial Law" and internment would be required to enforce a perfectly sensible law that these pro-gun, dangerous extremists, should be disarmed, as they have been in other First World nations. There were 10,567 handgun homicides in the U.S. in 1990 but only 22 in Great Britain, before additional British gun control measures (yes, Britain has a smaller population of course, but clearly not that kind of ratio!). The British people, by and large, IMO, do not feel oppressed by "losing the freedom to own guns and to slaughter each other with guns". If we hypothesise that 70% of the current US population are (fairly insanely and) stubbornly "pro-gun extremist" at present, what would be needed then to change their minds? My (friendly) suggestion is to dope the population by re-legalising currently prohibited psychoactive chemicals. "Since most of the explosion of crime in the USA in the last 100 years seems to me to be related to various prohibitions of "mind-altering chemicals", like alcohol, opiates, cocaine, psychedelics and cannabis, the government could legalise and tax them all. Then the general population could get so stoned and would be so grateful that the prohibition was over, they would probably gladly surrender their machine guns IMO."

There are of course other, less pleasant and "morally dubious" ways, of getting the "general population" to change their "collective minds". If after 10 years or so of ending prohibition and letting the population have their psychoactive drugs back, they still wished to be armed, then again there are further steps that could still avoid Martial Law and imprisonment of the remaining recalcitrant hold-outs. All animals, that are amenable to domestication, (like humans, cows and dogs etc.), can apparently be mentally conditioned through the "carrot and stick" approach of behavioural psychological "conditioning techniques". The "carrot" could be called free access to psychoactive drugs but the "stick" would be something else, rather less pleasant. Generally the motto can be summed up as "order out of chaos" or to "shake the kaleidoscope up a bit" and whilst the pieces are still in flux, you can try to reorder the world. The ethics of "utilitarianism" are also that the "end justifies the means" or, "you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs". If we remember that in the summer of 1941 about 70% of the US population were isolationist and stubbornly not in favour of entering the war in support of the British, what event changed their minds virtually overnight? The attack of Pearl Harbor of course! Therefore, if 70% of the US population currently supports private militias and private gun ownership, a number of dramatic acts of mayhem, by private militias and private gun owners, could be used to reprogram the population to "swing the other way" without Martial Law or concentration camps or overt oppression.

If you tried to force these well armed people to do something you might simply end up with Civil War and millions dead. The absurd idea of Concentration Camps and Martial Law could therefore end up with a lot of people, perhaps millions of Americans dead. However, the sacrifice of a few thousand Americans, in a short period of time, in dramatic and well-publicised propaganda events, could mentally reprogram the stubborn holdouts to see how antisocial the "private militias and private gun ownership" business was. Naturally the sacrifice of a few thousand people quickly, necessary to shock the population psychologically, would be very sad for the loved ones that needed to be sacrificed "for the greater good". However if a sacrifice of say 5,000 lives quickly could then reduce the annual death toll in the USA down from about 11,000, to say a more reasonable and proportional 110 people per annum, think of the thousands of people that will then live in the future?
Cute idea, but I suspect a number of us who have guns are also unlikely to go the hallucinogen route. Alcohol's all I use - and damned little of that. I like to be sure my aim is good - and the calibers are high enough that any hit is bad. S&W .460 says "Hi" to body armor on the way through it.
 
fuelair; said:
Cute idea, but I suspect a number of us who have guns are also unlikely to go the hallucinogen route. Alcohol's all I use - and damned little of that. I like to be sure my aim is good - and the calibers are high enough that any hit is bad. S&W .460 says "Hi" to body armor on the way through it.
Hmm, that is why we here at the secret CFR and NWO labs are working on CHEMTRAILS and doping the water supplies!
 
Travis; said:
Relevance?
Following on the need to drug the paranoid and deluded common masses clinging to their essentially pointless guns like a "security blanket" to protect them from a mythical and feared oppressive "big government" that might want "Martial Law" and FEMA concentration camps. Concentration camps would naturally be very foolish in a flu pandemic, unless you wanted all the interned citizens to catch the communicable disease.
fuelair; Cute idea, but I suspect a number of us who have guns are also unlikely to go the hallucinogen route. Alcohol's all I use - and damned little of that. I like to be sure my aim is good - and the calibers are high enough that any hit is bad. S&W .460 says "Hi" to body armor on the way through it.
Andrew: Hmm, that is why we here at the secret CFR and NWO labs are working on CHEMTRAILS and doping the water supplies! ;)
Sceptic: I wished I lived in a world where I fought an invisible mythical enemy at every turn.
Andrew: Christians do routinely. He is called "Satan" I think. ;)

The "Christian" CT delusion is apparently quite widespread in the USA and EVERYTHING that goes on, including things like over-hyped and alleged swine flu pandemics, is often thought of as part of some kind of "End of Days Prophecy" where nasty stuff will happen. Some of these Christians apparently delude themselves that they will suddenly go "poof" (vanish painlessly) in the "Rapture" at some moment in time in the near future. The rest of the "heretical people", left behind, will then suffer many gruesome "trials and tribulations" for their heresy before some "final battle" between "good and evil", when their invisible mythical Jesus god will come back and smite the evildoers, in an apparently rather un-Christian manner. The alleged leader of the "evildoers" in the allegorical final battle of "Armageddon" (at the end of the old Age of Pisces?) is apparently another invisible god (an invisible mythical anti-Christ enemy) called "Satan". It might be very hard to believe that any people might be "Christians" or want to admit to it, but the theory that they probably do exist seems to be supported by quite a lot of evidence.
 
Cl1mh4224rd; said:
He's just illustrating how conspiracy theorism is much like religion. I don't think he realizes it, but that's exactly what he just did...
Well people who believe in religion do not apparently think that they are dealing with a "theory" or dealing with a subject containing any "doubt". Religulous people apparently are TRUTH experts and they KNOW what the FACTS are about their literally nonsensical religious beliefs in mythical invisible deities. A person who analyses or suggests various competing "Conspiracy Theories" on various subjects, as a hobby, is clearly not talking about knowing what the "truth", of the matter in question, might be. A "theory" is just a working "hypothesis", it is by definition not the "truth" or "fact" and it is not something that should ever be believed with the kind of "blind faith in the TRUTH of the matter" that the insane delusion of religion appears to inspire. So no, I do not think or agree that science or theorising has much to do with the blind faith of religion.
 

Well people who believe in religion do not apparently think that they are dealing with a "theory" or dealing with a subject containing any "doubt". Religulous people apparently are TRUTH experts and they KNOW what the FACTS are about their literally nonsensical religious beliefs in mythical invisible deities.


Replace "invisible deities" with "NWO" and you've described a rather significant portion of the most vocal conspiracy theorists. Even people or organizations that actually exist are attributed near-mythical powers by conspiracy theorists; international bankers, the Rockefellers, etc..

A person who analyses or suggests various competing "Conspiracy Theories" on various subjects, as a hobby, is clearly not talking about knowing what the "truth", of the matter in question, might be.


Will you be serving up the "no true conspiracy theorist" fallacy any time soon? Because I can see it coming...

A "theory" is just a working "hypothesis"...


What? No... A theory is a theory. The word has an accepted definition and "hypothesis" does not appear anywhere in that definition.

...it is by definition not the "truth" or "fact" and it is not something that should ever be believed with the kind of "blind faith in the TRUTH of the matter" that the insane delusion of religion appears to inspire.


You don't seem too familiar with the broader community of conspiracy theorists. There are many that take the factual accuracy of their beliefs just as seriously as any religious person; using phrases like "it's obvious".

So no, I do not think or agree that science or theorising has much to do with the blind faith of religion.


I mildly object to the term "conspiracy theorist", because what you people do/have is so very far from the scientific definition of the word theory.

n., pl. -ries.

  1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
  2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
  3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
  4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
  5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
  6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.


Conspiracy theories fit the last 3 definitions far better than the first three, and the last one most precisely.

How do you test conspiracy theories? How are they predictive? You can't, and they aren't.
 
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