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Swine Flu in Southwest USA = Excuse for Martial Law

Cl1mh4224rd; said:
What? No... A theory is a theory. The word has an accepted definition and "hypothesis" does not appear anywhere in that definition.

Hypothesis 1
Definition: A supposition; a proposition or principle which is supposed or taken for granted, in order to draw a conclusion or inference for proof of the point in question; something not proved, but assumed for the purpose of argument, or to account for a fact or an occurrence; as, the hypothesis that head winds detain an overdue steamer.

Hypothesis 2
Definition: A tentative theory or supposition provisionally adopted to explain certain facts, and to guide in the investigation of others; hence, frequently called a working hypothesis.

hypothesis 3
Definition: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory

hypothesis 4
Definition: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence

hypothesis 5
Definition: a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations


From a philosophical POV I personally would not accept the use of "true or fact" in the above definitions either.

Cl1mh4224rd; said:
You don't seem too familiar with the broader community of conspiracy theorists. There are many that take the factual accuracy of their beliefs just as seriously as any religious person; using phrases like "it's obvious".
They are suffering from some concept and reasoning errors perhaps?

Cl1mh4224rd; said:
Conspiracy theories fit the last 3 definitions far better than the first three.
OK, I have no problem with your opinion. Especially "An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."
 

Hypothesis 1
Definition: A supposition; a proposition or principle which is supposed or taken for granted, in order to draw a conclusion or inference for proof of the point in question; something not proved, but assumed for the purpose of argument, or to account for a fact or an occurrence; as, the hypothesis that head winds detain an overdue steamer.

Hypothesis 2
Definition: A tentative theory or supposition provisionally adopted to explain certain facts, and to guide in the investigation of others; hence, frequently called a working hypothesis.

hypothesis 3
Definition: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory

hypothesis 4
Definition: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence

hypothesis 5
Definition: a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations


...the hell? How does using definitions of hypothesis refute my claim about the definition of theory? Truly bizarre.
 
...the hell? How does using definitions of hypothesis refute my claim about the definition of theory? Truly bizarre.

Damnit, we're not supposed to read all that he writes. We're just supposed to see it and go, "damn that's a lot of text, he must know what he's talking about."
 
Cl1mh4224rd; said:
...the hell? How does using definitions of hypothesis refute my claim about the definition of theory? Truly bizarre.
Not really very bizarre IMO, I suspect that you are only looking at this matter in just one way. With an apparently very strongly held belief that you are "definitively correct", from viewing one source or opinion on "word definitions". Lexicographical definitions can vary, depending on which lexicographer that you may feel like choosing. Some alternative people (dictionary compilers) evidently can regard "theories and hypotheses" as synonyms.

I think that your argument with me over this, IMO rather trivial matter, illustrates nicely my theory about how some people appear to crave "certainty" ("truth, fact, knowledge") in their lives. I do not crave certainty. I think that you seem to want there to be "absolute certainty" about word definitions (at least?), but actually language can apparently "mutate" ("evolve"?) over time and thus generally widely accepted definitions can "morph" over time. Naturally it helps communication if and when two minds-entities are attempting to interact, in the same "language", they can mutually agree on what they mean by the use of the "words" that they use. If I use the word "table" but the image in your mind is what I call a "chair", then genuinely meaningful communication probably becomes rather difficult IMO. That would not be to insist, definitively, that my definition would be correct (TRUE) and that yours was wrong (FALSE), I would hope that you understand. You appear to me to insist that in your mind "theory and hypothesis" are not synonymous, when I had initially suggested (uncontroversial I had thought at the time) that they were, in my opinion. You are free to have your opinion that they are not synonyms and I think that I am free to remain thinking that they are synonyms. Perhaps we can simply agree to differ, if nothing else.


theory

noun
1. a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"
2. a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices" [syn: hypothesis]
3. a belief that can guide behavior; "the architect has a theory that more is less"; "they killed him on the theory that dead men tell no tales"

Synonyms:
1. Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity. A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.
 
Travis; said:
Damnit, we're not supposed to read all that he writes. We're just supposed to see it and go, "damn that's a lot of text, he must know what he's talking about."
Not much of a debate if you did that though IMO.
 

Regular armed police, SWAT, FBI and other alphabet soup WACO crushing type guys, National Guard and even regular US troops by some accounts, posse comitatus notwithstanding. Civil War would be a silly idea IMO. Chill people!

Hmmmm, so what about the rest of the world?

Why would you think a police officer in Alabama is a supporter of the NWO?
 
Hans; said:
Hmmmm, so what about the rest of the world?
Are IMO probably more chilled about NWO globalisation. They possibly think that the arcane global oligarchs, who are apparently interested in promoting this idea of a "new utopia" are crazy, but 'twas ever thus.

Hans; said:
Why would you think a police officer in Alabama is a supporter of the NWO?
Would an average police officer in Alabama actually understand what anti-UN, anti-WTO, anti-globalisation, anti-Banking, anti-NWO, anti-US Military Imperialism, anti-Economic Hit-men Imperialism, pro peace-nick arguments were all about?
Or would they just be narrow-minded red-necked patriots, brainwashed nationalists, from birth, to love the south (and the USA in general) - the "greatest country on the Earth"? The image of an average policeman in Alabama outside the USA (from US movie exports) might be of an epsilon minus semi-moron class, barely evolved and knuckle-dragging untermenschen. In other words, a brainless easily mind-controlled henchman thug that loves "to serve" his lords and masters, who might want a NWO, but he would neither understand, nor care, what that project was.
 
So a long drawn out way of you saying... oh I was wrong individuals in the armed services and police will not serve the NWO. Which isn't surprizing considering its existence in wooish theory only.
 
By the way, I find this idea that government wants to institute Martial Law as strange. Enforcing Martial Law is expensive and stressful which is why the government looks on it as a desperate measure of last resort.


My thoughts exactly. Rounding up so many terified people sounds like a royal pain in the butt.

BTW, from what I've been reading lately, Toronto has been doing some serious thinking about being prepared in the event of an outbreak since SARS.
 
Or would they just be narrow-minded red-necked patriots, brainwashed nationalists, from birth, to love the south (and the USA in general) - the "greatest country on the Earth"? The image of an average policeman in Alabama outside the USA (from US movie exports) might be of an epsilon minus semi-moron class, barely evolved and knuckle-dragging untermenschen. In other words, a brainless easily mind-controlled henchman thug that loves "to serve" his lords and masters, who might want a NWO, but he would neither understand, nor care, what that project was.

Why are you so angry? Honest question, where does this venom come from?
 
So that Martial Law thing didn't happen. Will INRM admit he is wrong?

The standard woo response to that on Swine Flu is:

"You just wait, this is just like the Spanish Flu, in the winter its going to come back and it will kill tens of millions! Martial law will be declared"

They say it with glee and happiness too.
 
The standard woo response to that on Swine Flu is:

"You just wait, this is just like the Spanish Flu, in the winter its going to come back and it will kill tens of millions! Martial law will be declared"

They say it with glee and happiness too.

Tis true. INRM though uses the "I Am just asking questions" woo argument so I'll treat him as a person of non-woo at the moment.
 
I think we should respect this virus. I know it's cliche to say ''wait till winter comes'' but stuff does spread easier in the winter. I will be keeping my guard up just in case.
 

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