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BigAl said:
I can tell you that the USENET groups are awash with anti-Semitic crap, free-standing and glued onto every other k00k and conspiracy theory, especially 9/11 and possibly with the exception UFOs and BigFoot.
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I don't doubt that. But aren't there Jewish people who question 9/11? Or Joofers, if you will. Could there even by Jewish people who support Israel but question the Israeli gov't?

Or how about just non anti-semitic Twoofilious Twoofies?
 
Ok, I was bored and decided to check out the LC forums since I haven't been there in 6 months or so.

Remember Rev91? I think he was a 15 year old kid in the UK and a firm twoofer. They even made him an admin over there (go figure) and he registered and posted here for awhile before he got the boot.

Apparently he had been gone for awhile over there and created a sock to "question" some of their beliefs. The sock was promptly banned and he replied with this rather surprising post. In part,

"So, in my opinion and I know none of you will be glad to hear this but the Truth Movement we once knew from 2002-2007 is essentially, dead. It's hardly a movement because, well where have you moved? Not forward, and not back. It's time to forget 9/11 and move onto other things that are more important, things that CAN make a difference..."

"Because this is no longer the truth movement. It's the Stagnant Group For Truth That Does Not Accomplish Anything. For a metaphor I can only describe the 'movement' as a bunch of kids trying to make a sand castle from dry sand."

Maybe there's hope after all...

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1560166/1/
 
Calcas said:
Ok, I was bored and decided to check out the LC forums since I haven't been there in 6 months or so.

Remember Rev91? I think he was a 15 year old kid in the UK and a firm twoofer. They even made him an admin over there (go figure) and he registered and posted here for awhile before he got the boot.

Apparently he had been gone for awhile over there and created a sock to "question" some of their beliefs. The sock was promptly banned and he replied with this rather surprising post. In part,

"So, in my opinion and I know none of you will be glad to hear this but the Truth Movement we once knew from 2002-2007 is essentially, dead. It's hardly a movement because, well where have you moved? Not forward, and not back. It's time to forget 9/11 and move onto other things that are more important, things that CAN make a difference..."

"Because this is no longer the truth movement. It's the Stagnant Group For Truth That Does Not Accomplish Anything. For a metaphor I can only describe the 'movement' as a bunch of kids trying to make a sand castle from dry sand."

Maybe there's hope after all...

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1560166/1/
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See my previous post on the "boy growing up" philosophy on this matter.

With no president and vice president Satan to hate and fuel the fire, there will be NO significant next generation of truthers...

TAM:)
TAM:)
 
RedIbis said:
I said that there are bigots who post on this forum. The larger point is that most of the "joos did it" type references come from debunkers.

Do you disagree with that?
Do you think it's fair to lump in all those who question 9/11 with a few bigots?
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Red,

The number of uses of the word is insignificant compared to the purpose of the uses of the word.

tom
 
Calcas said:
Remember Rev91? I think he was a 15 year old kid in the UK and a firm twoofer.

...he replied ...

"So, in my opinion and I know none of you will be glad to hear this but the Truth Movement we once knew from 2002-2007 is essentially, dead. It's hardly a movement because, well where have you moved? Not forward, and not back. It's time to forget 9/11 and move onto other things that are more important, things that CAN make a difference..."

"Because this is no longer the truth movement. It's the Stagnant Group For Truth That Does Not Accomplish Anything. For a metaphor I can only describe the 'movement' as a bunch of kids trying to make a sand castle from dry sand."

Maybe there's hope after all...
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You'd wish that he'd arrived at this point by learning something rather than by a sense of futility.

Thinking that you are both right and impotent only augments anger.

If he'd learned anything, he'd be happier. And perhaps a bit more humble. Always a good thing...

This is, of course, our ultimate trump card. One, 5, 10 years from now, as most of them grow up, they'll ultimately realize that they were completely off-base.

And, as they try to fall asleep at night, they'll remember some of their more "flammable moments". When they were SOOOO sure.

And they'll cringe. And toss, and turn, and turn, and turn...

tk

PS. We needn't talk about any of OUR youthful moments. Of course.
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RedIbis said:
I said that there are bigots who post on this forum. The larger point is that most of the "joos did it" type references come from debunkers.

Do you disagree with that?
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I disagree with the suggestion that debunkers are doing anything other than mocking anti-semites, a response that anti-semites richly deserve.

RedIbis said:
Do you think it's fair to lump in all those who question 9/11 with a few bigots?
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Given the origin of so much of the source material of the 9/11 truth movement being blatant fabrication and misrepresentation by anti-semites, I think it's fair to point out that the origins of that material should be questioned very carefully by those who, for example, like to accuse Silverstein of lying but refuse to state outright what they believe he was lying about. I'm not suggesting that the origin of information invalidates it, but it should at the very least be a trigger for very careful and highly skeptical examination of the claims made.

Dave
 
RedIbis said:
I said that there are bigots who post on this forum. The larger point is that most of the "joos did it" type references come from debunkers.

Do you disagree with that?
Do you think it's fair to lump in all those who question 9/11 with a few bigots?
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You've implied Turner Construction was complicit in mass murder without so much as a shred of evidence. They employ over 5,000 people, all of whom you've painted with this same broad brush.

Do you think that's fair?
 
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RedIbis said:
How about taking a shot at some of the questions I've asked?
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What a lovely idea. Let's see if you have the intellectual honesty to do the same. Here's one you've yet to respond to:
johnny karate said:
So exactly what is suspicious about a company not in the controlled demolition industry, and lacking the expertise or knowledge to perform a controlled demolition, renovating WTC prior to 9/11?
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Dave Rogers said:
I disagree with the suggestion that debunkers are doing anything other than mocking anti-semites, a response that anti-semites richly deserve.



Given the origin of so much of the source material of the 9/11 truth movement being blatant fabrication and misrepresentation by anti-semites, I think it's fair to point out that the origins of that material should be questioned very carefully by those who, for example, like to accuse Silverstein of lying but refuse to state outright what they believe he was lying about. I'm not suggesting that the origin of information invalidates it, but it should at the very least be a trigger for very careful and highly skeptical examination of the claims made.

Dave
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Just because a few knuckle headed bigots produced some stuff about 9/11 in the beginning is not the origins of the information, as much as you wish to conflate the two.

If anything, such conflation is a sign of desperation.
 
RedIbis said:
Just because a few knuckle headed bigots produced some stuff about 9/11 in the beginning is not the origins of the information, as much as you wish to conflate the two.

If anything, such conflation is a sign of desperation.
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If anything, it's a sign of the lack of seriousness with which most debunkers view Truthers. Your movement is rife with lunacy of every stripe, including anti-Semitism. I personally don't care enough about any individual Truther's delicate sensibilities to be worried about whether or not I'm grouping them in the right category of loon.

Especially those exhibiting the cognitive dissonance that allows them to casually toss out baseless accusations of mass murder, and yet view accusations of anti-Semitism as some great offense.
 
Press Release, AE911Truth.org: 640 Architects and Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation
ae911truth.org

Apr 23, 2009
640 Architects and Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation

Evidence of Explosives Found in Destruction of All 3 WTC High-Rises

AE911Truth to Display Evidence at National AIA Convention 4/30 — 5/2, Moscone Center
Press Conference/Speaking Engagement Saturday May 2 at 4 pm, Westin Market Street Hotel

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact Phone: 510-292-4710
Site: www.AE911truth.org
Email: Contact rg-aia at ae911truth.org

Berkeley, CA, April 23, 2009 – More than 640 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) are calling for a new, independent investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center high-rises. These building professionals cite evidence of explosive demolition at all three WTC high-rises on 9/11 and document the evidence at their website. Michael Heimbach, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, wrote that their claims and conclusion were "backed by thorough research and analysis."

AE911Truth will host exhibitor's information booth #2609 at this year's annual convention of the prestigious American Institute of Architects (AIA). The convention, with more than 800 exhibitors and more than 20,000 participating architects, will take place in San Francisco's Moscone Center, April 30-May 2.

This exhibition will be followed up on Saturday May 2nd with a dynamic multi-media presentation by AE911Truth founder Richard Gage, AIA. Mr Gage will cover the forensic evidence found at the crime scene as well as a review of the omissions in the official FEMA and NIST reports. Join AE911Truth at the Westin Market Street Hotel at 50 Third St. in San Francisco at 4:00 pm on Saturday for this thorough review of the myth-shattering information.
 
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beachnut said:
Gage ideas on 911 are all delusions. How can one person be so stupid?
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Remember when Sir Richard was in Spain ?

Thanks to the conference by Richard Gage, AIA here in Madrid's Colegio Oficial de Arquitectura, on Nov 7, th, this is the first time that 911 truth has been shown on mainstream media here in Spain. The conference was packed and the Colegio, which is the oficial "Guild" for architects here in spain has requested several copies of the video conference. This is the recording of the news item shown at midday on the 8th of November which was seen nation wide, with english
subtitles.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5652298545742902173&hl=es Mainstream News
 
bill smith said:
Remember when Sir Richard was in Spain ?

Thanks to the conference by Richard Gage, AIA here in Madrid's Colegio Oficial de Arquitectura, on Nov 7, th, this is the first time that 911 truth has been shown on mainstream media here in Spain. The conference was packed and the Colegio, which is the oficial "Guild" for architects here in spain has requested several copies of the video conference. This is the recording of the news item shown at midday on the 8th of November which was seen nation wide, with english
subtitles.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5652298545742902173&hl=es Mainstream News
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So we don't have a video of the reaction of the members of Colegio Oficial de Arquitectura?

Gage is a fraud.
 
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