Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[wolfgirl]

We are seeing kids that were raised to know God fall away as soon as they get in college, why is that?

Ummm...because once they are away from the influence of the ones who taught them the nonsense in the first place, and they are exposed to ideas and knowledge that had been kept from them before, they are able to open their eyes and make their own decision.

Ignorance is a breeding ground for religion, and education is the best antidote!

 

[Hokulele]

None, just like Houkele has no evidence that Christ did not help KK.

You have managed to get it backwards again. It is KK who does not have evidence it was Jesus. Once again, it is evidence that her belief in Jesus helped her. No more, no less.

 

[six7s]

I want them to get Darwinism out of the public schools since it is already well documented to be false.

Please, as it is so "well documented", cite at least ONE such document

 

[wolfgirl]

No, but it is some evidence if it is true, just like the many people I've seen on Christian TV who have claimed Jesus got them off drugs is evidence. I have yet to see anyone on TV claim Narconon got them off drugs. And Jesus has been around for 2000 years unlike Narconon. Until I hear testimony from many people (and not just a lot of scientology figures) then from my experience Christianity has the better track record.

Also, FYI I once had a thread in the religious section entitled "Has the power of atheism ever gotten anyone off drugs".




None, just like Houkele has no evidence that Christ did not help KK. But since Jesus is the main figure of the greatest selling book of all time and is a proven historical figure unlike Xenu (if you believe the 10 Non-Christian sources I have mentioned) I'll go with Jesus over Xenu and the former science fiction writer Hubblard who is the founder of Scientology.

Plenty of people have gotten off of drugs with neither Jesus' nor Xenu's nor any other mythological figure's help. They have found the strength within themselves.

And do you claim that nobody of any other religion ever gets off of drugs? Because certainly if they do, they are doing it either with no help from a god at all or with help from the "wrong" god. They're praying to someone other then your god for help if they're praying at all. So unless you're prepared to say that nobody ever gets off drugs unless they pray to your god, you have no case.

 

[tsig]

You made a claim to understanding scientific principles. Based upon your posting history, I doubted this. I am willing to be proven wrong.


I teach college and have multiple students who have little children. Your story isn't unique. But besides this, attending college and understanding science are not synonymous. You can get a degree in liberal arts and know nothing of science. Or you could be a highschool drop out and speak intelligently on the fundementals of astrophysics. I do not care what your education is, only that you can back up your claim that you understand the basics of science.

So you lied when you said that you can grasp some science basics?

That's called "preaching to the choir." Of course you enjoy reading things that affirm your prejudices.



College isn't for everyone. Attend if you want. Don't if you don't want. I support you either way. But don't lie about saying you can grasp scientific principles when you obviously don't.


Strike 1. You have no rational reason to say this, otherwise you'd present it.


Strike 2. The discovery of DNA had provided the mechanism by which evolution occurs and, as such, has strengthened evolutionary theory.

strike 3.
For Giggles, Why not explain chromosome 2 fusion.



Strike 4.
Gravity is more than just the force that keeps us grounded. It's the weak force that is felt between all mass. It's an attractive force that decays with the square of the distance between the two masses. It explains why planets orbit the sun. Why planets adopt a spherical shape. The ebb and flow of tides...





You realize you just negated centuries of effort in science and engineering by offering the "God-did-it" answer. Not only do you have no understanding of science, you have a clear scorn and hatred of it.


Yes, but we aren't talking about that. If you claimed an understanding about motherhood, I wouldn't have challenged it.

You claimed to be able to grasp some parts of science. It's clear you lied about this.



How does this relate to anything we are talking about?

That's supposed to tear out your heart with pity, if it's true. At some point the credibility meter clicks to zero, after that I assume every statement to be false until proven true.

 

[AWPrime]

Awe but it is through our weakness that God finds us and then he makes us strong. I only lived through these horrible years because Jesus saved me and kept me here to testify to his truth. I am truly a sinner saved!

You know, you sound like Randy Marsh during Bloody Mary.

 

[tsig]

The day after Jesus' body was placed in the tomb, Roman soldiers were put on guard to prevent someone stealing the body to make it appear as if Jesus had risen from the dead. But what if the followers took the body before the guards were placed at the tomb entrance?

Oh they did take the body and to hide it the had the Last B-BQ.

 

[Marcus]

Sorry Hokulele I have chosen to follow Christ and his teachings alone now. Darwinism is anti-God so no way! I want them to get Darwinism out of the public schools since it is already well documented to be false.

And yet you have no problem asking people here to read all about things they do not believe in... The fact that they are willing to do so shows that they are much stronger in their knowledge than you are in your faith.

 

[Niggle]

Oh you would try to put me on the spot now wouldn't you. Hey joobz I finsihed High School and became a young mother by 19 so when I did try to go back to College as a single mom I just couldn't keep up that kind of a schedule. My little girl was more important. So obviously I did not even get to sign up for these science college classes so explaining them isn't an option. I did do pretty well in algebra at the time but I do not remember any of it now since I haven't used it.
In High School I was your typical American girl just wanting to get out of there and have fun. I found school boring except for my friends so you will just have to take me at face value, I'm no book worm. I do read some but not what most of you guys read. I find more Christian authors works edifying. I do many of my studies through DVD and audio cirriculum since this is how I learn best. God willing if I get stronger/more healing after 2 surgeries then I still may choose to take some college courses if God allows me the time, but probably will choose Biola or Moody University home study. I'm just not thinking I need a college degree at this point.( 46 with health problems) I am not able to do any full time work anymore. My heart is for sharing the gospel message now, how can college help me better do that?

All I know is in school I never believed Darwinism was right. It just never sat well with me as truth. And now the more I know about it DNA research does not hold up in this theory. All I know is my ancestor isn't an ape!

As for gravity, What goes up must come down! God is the one holding this planet together to sustain all life here but one day he will shake the heavens and earth with a mighty quake and then people will wish they had listened to reason. Jesus reigns!

P.S.Why don't you ask me something pertaining to motherhood or the struggles working/ single moms have that is important? I can tell you alot about this one being a mother of 4. I just wish people would realize moms are important too even if we haven't had a college education. Does your wife work joobz?

This entire screed is so far off-topic it couldn't find it with a map, but then, neither can KK.

Cut the crap. I started learning this stuff in sixth grade. If you want to wallow in ignorance, that's your problem, but it's completely irrelevant to the discussion. All Joobz is trying to do is see how much science you understand so our answers can be tailored to your understanding. The answer, obviously, is none.

That means that all your bleating about the value of Lee Stroebel's book is empty hot air. You wouldn't know a good scientific explanation if it bit you. You don't have the background to evaluate a scientific claim as true or false. And since you never cite any specific sources for your claims, we can't evaluate them, either. So either put up or shut up.

And the strawmen about being a young mother and all that are crap, too. NOBODY has EVER said anything about this, and nobody has ever put you down for it. Nobody should. But the only ones I've ever heard condemn unwed mothers are Christians. Especially evangelical ones. They're great ones for holding a grudge; no sin is ever forgiven, no matter how much repentance is made.

That doesn't mean you can use your single motherhood to hide behind. It's not an excuse for continued ignorance. I assume you've grown up since then? It's hard to tell from what you write. Don't you read your kids' textbooks when they bring them home from school? How do you help them with their homework? Wouldn't you want to learn enough to at least help your children learn? It would be an easy way for you to pick up from the beginning to fill in the gaps in your education.

No, mothers don't need college degrees. But without college degrees, there would be no doctors, either. No engineers to design and build your cars, computers, and everything else you use in your kitchen on a daily basis. No architects to design and build homes that won't collapse on you when too much snow gets on the roof. You may shun education for yourself. You have no right to belittle people who choose to get an education. We all have important roles to play in society, mothers and engineers and electricians. And especially teachers.

None of that has any relevance to the topic of the thread, so give it up. If you have evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth (scientific evidence, not your personal feelings), present it. Otherwise, go away and let the grown-ups talk in peace.

 

[six7s]

Also, FYI I once had a thread in the religious section entitled "Has the power of atheism ever gotten anyone off drugs".

It was called Has anyone ever gotten off drugs through the power of atheism?, and your argument from willful ignorance was comprehensively p4wned in each of the first few posts

 

[Mojo]

All I know is my ancestor isn't an ape!

Actually, I think I might be prepared to believe that, if only there was some evidence that non-primate species are able to post on bulletin boards.

 

[tsig]

No, but it is some evidence if it is true, just like the many people I've seen on Christian TV who have claimed Jesus got them off drugs is evidence. I have yet to see anyone on TV claim Narconon got them off drugs. And Jesus has been around for 2000 years unlike Narconon. Until I hear testimony from many people (and not just a lot of scientology figures) then from my experience Christianity has the better track record.

Also, FYI I once had a thread in the religious section entitled "Has the power of atheism ever gotten anyone off drugs".




None, just like Houkele has no evidence that Christ did not help KK. But since Jesus is the main figure of the greatest selling book of all time and is a proven historical figure unlike Xenu (if you believe the 10 Non-Christian sources I have mentioned) I'll go with Jesus over Xenu and the former science fiction writer Hubblard who is the founder of Scientology.

A science fiction writer seems a perfect choice for god. He has a great imagination and is able to communicate well with the masses.

We have lots of eyewitnesses and plenty of his writings so L. Ron looks like a better bet than JC.

 

[Niggle]

I'm sorry Mr. Clingford you see me like that but this is a battle for lost souls and I intend to fight for the truth.

You're losing. You're driving them away from your "truth" with your cruelty and insane ranting. Your ignorance is blinding you to more effective ways to share your "truth," and your arrogance is blinding you to the effect you're actually having on us, your chosen victims.

You fail.

 

[Lothian]

No, but it is some evidence if it is true, just like the many people I've seen on Christian TV who have claimed Jesus got them off drugs is evidence.

It is not evidence, see if you can remember why. If you can't remember I will give you a clue, read this thread you have probably been told over 100 times.

I have yet to see anyone on TV claim Narconon got them off drugs. And Jesus has been around for 2000 years unlike Narconon. Until I hear testimony from many people (and not just a lot of scientology figures) then from my experience Christianity has the better track record.

So are you shifting your position to accept that lots of gods exists just in your opinion God has a slightly better track record?

Also, FYI I once had a thread in the religious section entitled "Has the power of atheism ever gotten anyone off drugs".

Yes, shame you don't seam to have learnt anything since then.

But since Jesus is the main figure of the greatest selling book of all time........

No, Chairman Mao is the main figure of the greatest selling book as the link you provided clearly demonstrated. The fact that you keep reposting this does you no favours.

 

[six7s]

Actually, I think I might be prepared to believe that, if only there was some evidence that non-primate species are able to post on bulletin boards.

:cough:

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[Lothian]

Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter would disagree with you.

Don't you ever tire of appealing to authority?

Does anyone know why he has stopped using slave owners as moral examples? It is almost as if he is embarrassed that the bible promotes slave owning.

 

[DOC]

The day after Jesus' body was placed in the tomb, Roman soldiers were put on guard to prevent someone stealing the body to make it appear as if Jesus had risen from the dead. But what if the followers took the body before the guards were placed at the tomb entrance?

So you're implying that 11 of 12 apostles were then willing to travel all over the Roman Empire preaching Christ, get tortured, and die, for something they knew was a lie.

 

[Akhenaten]

Because they get an education and realise that the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and that silly little god/jesus/spook thing are just fairytales. Duh.


Waenre

Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter would disagree with you.

Never heard of them. Are they Osirists?


Waenre

 

[Akhenaten]

So you're implying that 11 of 12 apostles were then willing to travel all over the Roman Empire preaching Christ, get tortured, and die, for something they knew was a lie.

Bloody stupid, isn't it? If only they'd found the Aten.

 

[joobz]

That's supposed to tear out your heart with pity, if it's true. At some point the credibility meter clicks to zero, after that I assume every statement to be false until proven true.

What I want to know is why Kathy asked what my wife does.

KK claimed to know a bit about science, than went on to say things which completely contradict that claim.

If we had a person claiming to know the bible and then go on to say that the book of genesis was written in 1960 by a guy named Jerry, I'd call him a liar.

Just Like I called out KK in her claims to grasping science.