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The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems

We are his creation and he deserves our reverence. It would not hurt you one bit to have a healthy fear of God put in you!
If your children misbehave, I assume you think it is right to beat them and if they don't listen to torture them. You think this is right and for that I most definately fear monsters like you.

Even if I believed your god existed, I would never worship such a tyrant. Your god is evil.
 
If your children misbehave, I assume you think it is right to beat them and if they don't listen to torture them. You think this is right and for that I most definately fear monsters like you.

Even if I believed your god existed, I would never worship such a tyrant. Your god is evil.
Great point.

The god of the Bible is the greatest monster of all time. To kill innocent children is pretty bad but that's not god worst sin. To punish people infinitly for finite crimes is more monsterous than any human or devil. And blaming the victims only makes it worse. On top of that god does not give any clear and obvious rules. Slavery is ok. Killing children is ok. Burning witches is ok. Killing homosexuals is ok.

I'm really glad it's not true.
 
Unlike KK, I really want a functional brain.
I was debating a Christian friend the other day. I asked him, as I've asked KK, how could you be happy in heaving knowing loved ones where suffering for time and all eternity. "God will take away my memory of them" he said.

So I guess a lobotomy isn't far from the truth.

How does god shut out the weeping and wailing and people begging him for relief? I guess in the end he really doesn't give a ****.

Then again perhaps that is all a load of nonsense.
 
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I was debating a Christian friend the other day. I asked him, as I've asked KK, how could you be happy in heaving knowing loved ones where suffering for time and all eternity. "God will take away my memory of them" he said.

So I guess a lobotomy isn't far from the truth.

How does god shut out the weeping and wailing and people begging him for relief? I guess in the end he really doesn't give a ****.

Then again perhaps that is all a load of nonsense.

In the apocryphal Apocalypse of Paul or Visio Pauli, the saint, on a guided tour of the afterlife, tends to get a bit weepy over the plight of the damned. The archangel Michael chides him by asking, "Are you more merciful than God?"

"Well, apparently I am," Paul completely fails to answer.

Later, after another fit of saintly weepiness, God decides to give the damned an occasional day off out of sympathy for Paul. Good thing even that tiny mite of mercy has been obliterated.
 
In the apocryphal Apocalypse of Paul or Visio Pauli, the saint, on a guided tour of the afterlife, tends to get a bit weepy over the plight of the damned. The archangel Michael chides him by asking, "Are you more merciful than God?"

"Well, apparently I am," Paul completely fails to answer.

Later, after another fit of saintly weepiness, God decides to give the damned an occasional day off out of sympathy for Paul. Good thing even that tiny mite of mercy has been obliterated.
Thanks for that.

And yes, I'm much more merciful than the god charachter of the Bible.
 
He wants to be our friend but you need to accept him on his terms, not the other way around. Understand?

That isn't a relationship. A relationship is a meeting of minds. What you have described is servitude. This is fine as it does rather tie in with your other descriptions but please don't dress it up as friendship. It is a power relationship with all the power on one side and the operating motive fear.

It actually is very similar to how a Bronze Age king would expect to be treated.
 
You just need to see the truth.

<preachsnip>.

He wants to be our friend but you need to accept him on his terms, not the other way around. Understand?


The Aten cares not one whit for your friendship. and your acceptance is optional, so make up your own terms if you wish.

However, be aware that failing to accept the Aten at face value can actually kill you, unlike that pathetic and impotent god-thing of the hebrews.

Understand?
 
You just need to see the truth. We are all at enmity with God unless we have Jesus who reconciles us to God. Sin seperates us and Jesus shows us the way to be Gods friend again.
He wants to be our friend but you need to accept him on his terms, not the other way around. Understand?

Is your God a liar? Did He promise the Jews that they were His chosen people, then take it back after The Kid took a vacation to Earth?

Which is it? Are the Jews God's chosen people or are they damned forever for not recognizing Jesus without his "Messiah" name tag? And if they are damned how does that square with God the Just, never mind Merciful?

I've asked you this question several times and you refuse to answer.
 
Bad choices were made and your mother was in bad relationships and that's her fault,

You don't know what the **** your talking about. The word BAD was never used by me. She ended up in an abusive relationship - and as with many relationships like that it became apparent when it became apparent.

but she can't think for herself to get out of those relationships so God fixes it for her?

I'd say you're selling your mother short.

You're selling short and denigrating abused women everywhere with your elitest bigoted attitude - so **** off.
 
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I honestly don't understand. God has no responsibility for her relationships yet faith in god helped her through them.

I said any influence from God seemed not apparent. The guy was one of the many guys my moms friends introduced her to - they wanted her to meet someone who could make her happy.

But if god does not influence her life,

I never said that. In that situation it seemed more pragmatic - it wasn't like she was praying for another husband and the next day the dude showed up on the doorstep with a ring.

how does faith in god help? Faith in god to do what?

Because to many, many Christians God is not just some sort of magical wish granter - answered prayers aren't the only thing Christians approach God for. For my mom (judging from the diary she left behind) belief in God and her relationship with Him and her understanding about how uniquely special she was to Him helped rebuild her self-esteem. Her belief in God gave her the inner strength to kick that guy out on his ass (probably one of the first times in her life she stood up like that) and this time around be on her own at her choice.

And if god does influence her life, then on what basis do you say he had nothing to do with her (then) present circumstances?

Because I don't believe we are simply puppets - God gives us plenty of leeway to live our lives. Maybe you think otherwise - I don't know. You probably don't believe at all.
 
Because to many, many Christians God is not just some sort of magical wish granter - answered prayers aren't the only thing Christians approach God for. For my mom (judging from the diary she left behind) belief in God and her relationship with Him and her understanding about how uniquely special she was to Him helped rebuild her self-esteem. Her belief in God gave her the inner strength to kick that guy out on his ass (probably one of the first times in her life she stood up like that) and this time around be on her own at her choice.
Agree and can easily understand that one.
 
I said any influence from God seemed not apparent. The guy was one of the many guys my moms friends introduced her to - they wanted her to meet someone who could make her happy.



I never said that. In that situation it seemed more pragmatic - it wasn't like she was praying for another husband and the next day the dude showed up on the doorstep with a ring.



Because to many, many Christians God is not just some sort of magical wish granter - answered prayers aren't the only thing Christians approach God for. For my mom (judging from the diary she left behind) belief in God and her relationship with Him and her understanding about how uniquely special she was to Him helped rebuild her self-esteem. Her belief in God gave her the inner strength to kick that guy out on his ass (probably one of the first times in her life she stood up like that) and this time around be on her own at her choice.



Because I don't believe we are simply puppets - God gives us plenty of leeway to live our lives. Maybe you think otherwise - I don't know. You probably don't believe at all.

See, this is a healthier attitude about the whole thing than Kathy is spouting. "God helps those who help themselves." Your mom managed her life as best she could on her own. When things went south, she leaned on her faith in God to give her the strength to get herself out of the situation, not to wait for him to magically rescue her. In her case, it was her faith that helped her recover her self-esteem; it could easily have been a therapist or social worker instead.

For what it's worth, I salute your mother. She must have been a strong, brave, and resourceful woman (I use past tense because you talk about her in the past tense; if she's still alive, share a toast of her favorite beverage with her for me).

If Kathy were in your mother's place, she'd be there still, convinced that she deserves the abuse and thanking her sick god for inflicting it on her to beat the sin out of her. THAT is sick.

I don't know how to reconcile these two opposing viewpoints of Christianity. I was raised Catholic. In my Catholic school, they tended to emphasize the "whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me" aspect of Jesus. There was no push to evangelize; it was considered best if we led others to Christ by being such a good, loving, caring group that people would want to join us.

Many years later, long after I had left the church, the congregation was voluntarily bringing food, helping me clean the house, and offering to do the laundry while my mother was struggling to survive a liver transplant and attendant complications. My roommate's sister-in-law had the same type of assistance from her Lutheran (Dutch Reform) congregation, adding in help with two children, while she was struggling with Non-Hodgekins Lymphoma. So some Christians do take the whole "works" thing seriously.

On the other hand, we had a priest who stood at the pulpit on Mother's Day ranting about Eve, that sexy, sleazy slut who caused the downfall of all mankind, but we should thank her anyway because she ultimately gave birth to all mankind. (WTF?!?!?) We have far too many Catholic priests and Baptist ministers (and youth ministers) who molest children. And we have KK, who comes in here bleating alternately how we're all worthless garbage, but God loves us and Jesus will save us, but if we don't let him, then God will torture us for all eternity.

Kathy: Fear DOES NOT equal love.
 
We are his creation and he deserves our reverence. It would not hurt you one bit to have a healthy fear of God put in you!

Peggy and I were reading a book about islands this morning. I was reading about a Rev. Baker who went to Fiji, to tell the people they needed to have a healthy fear of God.

They ate him.

Peggy's view was, "It's one thing to tell someone of the love of God, but something else entirely to walk into someone's home and tell them they're evil and lost, and doomed to Hell because of it."

Pass the A-1.
 
peggy and i were reading a book about islands this morning. I was reading about a rev. Baker who went to fiji, to tell the people they needed to have a healthy fear of god.

They ate him.

Peggy's view was, "it's one thing to tell someone of the love of god, but something else entirely to walk into someone's home and tell them they're evil and lost, and doomed to hell because of it."

pass the a-1.



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I was debating a Christian friend the other day. I asked him, as I've asked KK, how could you be happy in heaving knowing loved ones where suffering for time and all eternity. "God will take away my memory of them" he said.

That has to be one of the creepiest, most disturbing things I've ever read. Last year one of my wife's co-workers lost his wife and their young son in a tragic car accident. If I was in his place and God offered to erase my memories of them, I would tell him to go to Hell. I would rather suffer the pain of loss than lose the memory of love. I would rather suffer in Hell with my loved ones than let God erase the evidence of his crimes by deleting my memory of those he's wronged.

And I would ask your friend exactly where in the Bible it makes such a claim. If he can't point out chapter and verse then he might want to consider the possibility that he is simply making it up to comfort himself.
 
That has to be one of the creepiest, most disturbing things I've ever read. Last year one of my wife's co-workers lost his wife and their young son in a tragic car accident. If I was in his place and God offered to erase my memories of them, I would tell him to go to Hell. I would rather suffer the pain of loss than lose the memory of love. I would rather suffer in Hell with my loved ones than let God erase the evidence of his crimes by deleting my memory of those he's wronged.

And I would ask your friend exactly where in the Bible it makes such a claim. If he can't point out chapter and verse then he might want to consider the possibility that he is simply making it up to comfort himself.

It does give pause. If those who are blessed have their memories erased, is it damnation to retain your own mind? What does this say about salvation? And is that a good thing?
 

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