The truth movement scares me .....

[beachnut]

Well I would hate to think that there were several places on the lawn of the pentagon of the united states that weren't being taped at all times. Also they supposedly seized all the tapes from the surrounding businesses like the gas station and hotels and what not. Yet all they released was one video that was blurry and easily manipulated into a "missile" . The bottom line is that no matter what, we live in a time where our government is acting shifty and underhanded. Sure the 911 theories are far out there but dont forget that the sole reason those planes hit to begin with is because our government completely failed at their job of keeping us secure. We had four planes simultaneously hijacked and not one was intercepted. I think it is reasonable to say that some info was withheld just to cover the asses of the idiots who were in charge and failed to protect our country. Then you have ridiculous laws like the patriot act passed and other very unamerican laws as well. The failure on 911 had nothing to do with our governments inability to listen in on our phone calls. It had to do with our intelligence agencies becoming a bloated bureaucracy and not wanting to work together. And what is their solution? take away our liberties and make the government an even larger bureaucracy. Yeah that will fix it. We live in america and our government is supposed to be run by the people, that means we are supposed to be told what is going on without secret congress meetings and presidents who will only talk about things without being under oath and without over site. When the government acts the way ours has they are begging for the people to accuse them of tyranny and I think it's good for people to make a stink. Wrong or right at least someone is holding them accountable for something even if it is not true. I see virtually no one holding them accountable for what they are doing so it might as well be a bunch of bull.

lol

You are a 911Truth believer.

You mean we are suppose to shoot down airplanes?

Oh, intercepted hijacked planes? Learn about NORAD and why we don't shoot down hijacked planes. Hey Mav, we have a jacked plane, hose it.

What are your other gaps?

Shifty?

Which liberties?

Jones is a liar spreading lies. You are 911Truth.

At least you quoted TJ talking of death - how did that fit?

Here, take Thomas Jefferson seriously :...
The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, ...."

Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

You don't have the facts; better research more and be correct.

Ideology and politics? It is about freedom and the right to speak your mind, ...

It is? And you are doing it! Your point? We did not loose this freedom. You are speaking your mind. TJ thinks you could be more informed.

 

[applecorped]

lol

You are a 911Truth believer.

You mean we are suppose to shoot down airplanes?

Oh, intercepted hijacked planes? Learn about NORAD and why we don't shoot down hijacked planes. Hey Mav, we have a jacked plane, hose it.

What are your other gaps?

Shifty?

Which liberties?

Jones is a liar spreading lies. You are 911Truth.

At least you quoted TJ talking of death - how did that fit?


You don't have the facts; better research more and be correct.

It is? And you are doing it! Your point? We did not loose this freedom. You are speaking your mind. TJ thinks you could be more informed.

Your stamina is responding to this time and again is impressive.

 

[richman2112]

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+a+hijacked+airplane&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

There is the DOD guidelines for hijacked planes please show me anything in those guidelines that was done on 911. Should they have shot them down? No probably not. What would you suggest though that they follow behind them and watch them fly into the towers? They did nothing, pure and simple. after the first plane hit they still had no response, and so on and so on. They failed miserably and they failed with the best military in the world.

Other gaps? Any and all info requested by the people and refused, period. Maybe it is just my opinion but I dont see where they have a right to refuse to provide whatever the people ask for.

Shifty? Well lets see, they showed photos of WMD to go to war with Iraq that weren't WMD. They went to war without an exit strategy and made a terrible mess of things for several years. The entire congress save a couple had to apologize for supporting the Iraq war. Obama got a lot of votes because he said he did not support said war. And lets not forget the torture documents currently being released by the Obama admin.
Maybe you would not define that as "shifty" but it is clearly inept.

Liberties? Well, last time I checked there is all kinds of stink about wire taps and what not. There is Guantanamo and the whole habius corpus mess which I admit falls into the realm of opinion but there are many withen government who hold the same opinion.

Jones? The only positive claim I made of Jones was that he gave his info out for free and unless you can show where he is making money then my claim is sound. Now lets see you prove your positive claim he is lying, sure, you can prove his theories are wrong but can you prove he doesn't believe them?

As far as your insults and personal attacks about me being 911truth well, prove that too. When you make a claim you need to back it or at the least admit it is just your measly little opinion. Are you really claiming that anyone who does not hold the government in a favorable opinion is a "truther" because that is the only thing I have defined as my position. Labels are simply how simpletons group people they don't agree with.

 

[BigAl]

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+a+hijacked+airplane&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

There is the DOD guidelines for hijacked planes please show me anything in those guidelines that was done on 911. Should they have shot them down? No probably not.

On 9/11 NORAD and the FAA were not at fault for failing to intercept the hijacked planes before they crashed.

Prior to 9/11, hijackers were expected to want to live. They would ask to go to Cuba or make some demand and land the airplane somewhere and the hostages would live, there was no need to rush to intercept. On 9/11, there was no reason to expect otherwise until Flt 175 crashed and in the few minutes that separated crash of 175 from the crash of 93 and 77, there was no time to revise policy. Limitations of planes made any change in policy that day impossible to implement, anyway.

 

[richman2112]

On 9/11 NORAD and the FAA were not at fault for failing to intercept the hijacked planes before they crashed.

Prior to 9/11, hijackers were expected to want to live. They would ask to go to Cuba or make some demand and land the airplane somewhere and the hostages would live, there was no need to rush to intercept. On 9/11, there was no reason to expect otherwise until Flt 175 crashed and in the few minutes that separated crash of 175 from the crash of 93 and 77, there was no time to revise policy. Limitations of planes made any change in policy that day impossible to implement, anyway.

Fair enough, I can fully accept the difficulties involved in dealing with such a complex attack. But I still say the government showed ineptness and even they admitted that their own intelligence agencies were confused and unwilling to cooperate with each other. That was one of the main reasons for wanting the DHS.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

30%????

what gives you that insane idea??

does 3 out of every 10 people you know or meet believe in 9-11 truth theories?

30%??? more like 3%...or even .3%

At least 50% of the people I know believe that 911 was probably an Inside job.

I scares me far more that so many people refuse to believe it *could* have been an inside job.

you have nothing to fear from truthers. they are just a bunch of sad, silly people, desperate for attention and lacking in self-esteem. they will get passed it.

How can 'lack of self esteem' be the cause of believing a terrorist attack was a false flag job? If anyone's got a lack of self esteem it's those making ad-hom attacks against truthers. Truthers may be wrong in their claims but making silly personal attacks against people for simply having a different viewpoint is immature.

 

[TexasJack]

At least 50% of the people I know believe that 911 was probably an Inside job.

Well since only 4.6% of the people believe in an inside job, perhaps you're hanging around too many paranoid people.

I scares me far more that so many people refuse to believe it *could* have been an inside job.

There also is also possible that evil deadly unicorns exist, but without any evidence of such, I have nothing to fear.

Truthers may be wrong in their claims but making silly personal attacks against people for simply having a different viewpoint is immature.

And truthers accusing innocent people of mass murder without any evidence is called what?

 

[beachnut]

At least 50% of the people I know believe that 911 was probably an Inside job.

I scares me far more that so many people refuse to believe it *could* have been an inside job. ...

Then they lack knowledge. I suggest you gain some knowledge and educate them out of the pit of ignorance they are in call 911Truth.

Why would it be an inside job? The military is volunteer, they are not robots, they are rational thinking young Americans with initiative. The best young Americans serve in the military and 911Truth implies they did 911. How sad to be so ignorant on 911 to blame others for the acts of 19 terrorists.

Skeptic forum! So far the only story with big gaps, lies, fantasy, stupid ideas, and junk science is 911Truth lack of a coherent story.

I expect your friend, the ones that think it was an inside job are too challenged to figure out the complex plot of the terrorist, kill pilots fly plane into buildings (see a whole phrase), and prefer made up delusions.
Just say no.

 

[Reheat]

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+a+hijacked+airplane&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

There is the DOD guidelines for hijacked planes please show me anything in those guidelines that was done on 911. Should they have shot them down? No probably not. What would you suggest though that they follow behind them and watch them fly into the towers? They did nothing, pure and simple. after the first plane hit they still had no response, and so on and so on. They failed miserably and they failed with the best military in the world.

Did you even read the guidelines? As you'll notice with a casual glance the FAA is to notify the NMCC of the hijacking. Did that happen on 9/11? Even casual research on the subject matter on something other than a CT site would have revealed to you what actually happened.

As far as your insults and personal attacks about me being 911truth well, prove that too.

Don't need to prove it. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....well, you know the rest....

Got anything substantial that's not stupid?

 

[Reheat]

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If anyone's got a lack of self esteem it's those making ad-hom attacks against truthers. Truthers may be wrong in their claims but making silly personal attacks against people for simply having a different viewpoint is immature.

You don't know what an ad-hom attack is... Truthers are not only wrong, but they also promote stupid theories. It's not a matter of a difference of opinion it's a matter of sheer stupidity.

Let's try it. Do you have a theory WITH EVIDENCE that's logical from beginning to end and not stupid?

 

[leftysergeant]

"thermite Jones" huh? What does he get for all his lies? Does he have tons of money rolling in that I don't know about? Please feel free to tell me because my opinion of his character would change if I though he was saying things he did not believe just to con people, since that is what a snake oil salesman really is.

He is mentally ill. Attention is always good. He is rewarded.

Well the government routinely refuses to disclose things based on "national security" e.g. the security tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon . What possible threat to security would it be to show the tapes?

There is no reason for them to exist. There is reason for lying crimnal sacks of garbage like Erik May and Pierre-Henri Bunel to want you to think that they are supposed to exist. There is no tactical reason for secuirty to video tape activity on a lawn remote from a sally point into an office building.

 

[richman2112]

Did you even read the guidelines? As you'll notice with a casual glance the FAA is to notify the NMCC of the hijacking. Did that happen on 9/11? Even casual research on the subject matter on something other than a CT site would have revealed to you what actually happened.



Don't need to prove it. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....well, you know the rest....

Got anything substantial that's not stupid?

Yeah the FAA's warnings were very effective.

The duck thing? Pathetic, nothing more, just another hollow claim made by someone with a hollow head. your conspiracy theories about my positions are just idiocy.

 

[richman2112]

He is mentally ill. Attention is always good. He is rewarded.

Do you have real evidence other than opinion to back that claim?

There is no reason for them to exist. There is reason for lying crimnal sacks of garbage like Erik May and Pierre-Henri Bunel to want you to think that they are supposed to exist. There is no tactical reason for secuirty to video tape activity on a lawn remote from a sally point into an office building.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon_security_video
Here is a web site to debunk 911 myths that clearly states there were more tapes and mentions the one from the citgo as well. It mentions the same thing I did, that the tapes would show nothing, hence no reason not to release them. Oh, and of course it also mentions that the ones that did show something wern't released till 2006 which also clarifies my point. We had footage from day one of the planes hitting the towers we should have had footage from day one of them hitting the pentagon as well. I love how people keep implying that I think the footage will reveal something, my only point is and always has been that the footage should have been released from day one.

 

[Sunstealer]

At least 50% of the people I know believe that 911 was probably an Inside job.

The other part of your split personality is a debunker?

 

[Reheat]

Yeah the FAA's warnings were very effective.

What FAA warnings? Cat got your tongue?

The duck thing? Pathetic, nothing more, just another hollow claim made by someone with a hollow head. your conspiracy theories about my positions are just idiocy.

No, ducks aren't pathetic, truthers are the pathetic ones.... Funny that, I don't see a claim at all... and what are my conspiracy theories? Since I didn't specific any theories it seems to me you are the empty headed one. Do you really have head at all or does your reply speak from an orifice in another location?

 

[richman2112]

You called me a truther, that is as good as a conspiracy theory since you have nothing to back the claim.

 

[leftysergeant]

Do you have real evidence other than opinion to back that claim?



http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon_security_video
Here is a web site to debunk 911 myths that clearly states there were more tapes and mentions the one from the citgo as well. It mentions the same thing I did, that the tapes would show nothing, hence no reason not to release them.

Aside from the law, you mean?

They are private property and may show identifiable persons in them. Invasion of privacy issues, you know. If they show nothing, they are not germaine to the case, ergo not of public interest and it is up to the owners of the tapes whether they even want them returned or destroyed or whatever.

 

[richman2112]

The tapes became the property of the government, that makes them public.

 

[leftysergeant]

The tapes became the property of the government, that makes them public.

How do you figure? Does your TV become property of the government if there is on the screen a finger print of the man who stole your radio and hair drier? Same bloody thing, although there is more justification to keep the TV to preserve context.

 

[BigAl]

Fair enough, I can fully accept the difficulties involved in dealing with such a complex attack. But I still say the government showed ineptness and even they admitted that their own intelligence agencies were confused and unwilling to cooperate with each other. That was one of the main reasons for wanting the DHS.

Yup. the FBI should have prevented 9/11 but they didn't. Prior to 9/12/2001 they were organized only to capture criminals after the crime and were incapable of preventing a crime.

The book, Spying Blind by Amy Zegart describes what the FBI did and didn't do in the spring and summer of 2001 very well.

Don't confuse incompetency with conspiracy.