The truth movement scares me .....

MarkyX said:
Same. Just look at the Nazis and Al-Qaeda.
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If there was a joint American/al Qaeda operation on 9/11, I would say that National Vanguard did a bit of the heavy lifting. They need a surrogate for the Soviet Union when they start the RaHoWa.

Not a lot of difference I can see between them.
 
Personally I think that if these people truly believe that the government pulled off 911 then their sense of morality could not allow them to do nothing less than trying to tell the world. To be honest I consider them to be deluded,misguided, uninformed patriots. I have seen a lot of instances where they are called traitors and snake oil salesmen and other unmentionable things and I don't see a justification for it. I mean yeah, some are just idiots and some really are con artists but most of the time their true colors are pretty easy to see. Take the joneses, Alex Jones is quite questionable in his actions because of all his marketing but even then one would need to determine where the money goes; but Stephen Jones gives all his stuff away for free and does not even have a place for donation. ( at least none I have found)

As far as what a large movement could do to the country, I doubt it would do more than force the government to disclose more info so people will not have so many gaps with which to fuel the conspiracies to begin with. there could be some isolated riots but I seriously doubt it. Most of these people are harmless.
 
richman2112 said:
I have seen a lot of instances where they are called traitors and snake oil salesmen ...

I mean yeah, some are just idiots and some really are con artists but most of the time their true colors are pretty easy to see.

... Stephen Jones gives all his stuff away for free and does not even have a place for donation. ( at least none I have found)

As far as what a large movement could do ... ... many gaps with which to fuel the conspiracies to begin with. there could be some isolated riots but I seriously doubt it. Most of these people are harmless.
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The non-Captain, non-airline pilot Balsamo has told the world he will kill those who don't believe his lies. Harmless? Or is Balsamo telling a lie like the rest of his failed ideas on 911? A liar on everything?

What do you call liars and apologist for terrorists?

Thermite Jones is the worse; he lies and makes up stuff and uses his personable facade and being a professor of physics to spread lies; worse than all the rest. Jones make ups junk ideas and other spew them. I find someone who should have the education to understand 911 to be the worse 911Truth fraud. So you apologize for the lies of Jones. If you can't see through Jones you need to gain some knowledge. Jones work on 911 is the peak of anti-intellectualism; a return to the dark ages.

What gaps? Riots? Funny you think 911Truth has something and there are gaps? Sorry, the only gaps are in the leap followers of 911Truth have to make to from reality to full blown dirt dumb delusions. Gaps in knowledge, logic, and sound judgment of those who fall for 911Truth.
 
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The non-Captain, non-airline pilot Balsamo has told the world he will kill those who don't believe his lies. Harmless? Or is Balsamo telling a lie like the rest of his failed ideas on 911? A liar on everything?

What do you call liars and apologist for terrorists?

Thermite Jones is the worse; he lies and makes up stuff and uses his personable facade and being a professor of physics to spread lies; worse than all the rest. Jones make ups junk ideas and other spew them. I find someone who should have the education to understand 911 to be the worse 911Truth fraud. So you apologize for the lies of Jones. If you can't see through Jones you need to gain some knowledge. Jones work on 911 is the peak of anti-intellectualism; a return to the dark ages.

What gaps? Riots? Funny you think 911Truth has something and there are gaps? Sorry, the only gaps are in the leap followers of 911Truth have to make to from reality to full blown dirt dumb delusions. Gaps in knowledge, logic, and sound judgment of those who fall for 911Truth.
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So your saying this Balsamo guy is a threat to the world? That sounds like a conspiracy theory.
I guess the christians are right then, Stalin proves that all atheists are evil godless demons who plan on killing millions in a darwinian nightmare. That sucks too cause I like being an atheist. :(

Apologists for terrorists??? They dont believe that terrorists did it so how can they be apologists for them?? Liars ??? Can you prove "they" dont believe what they are saying?? Generalizations are neat.

"thermite Jones" huh? What does he get for all his lies? Does he have tons of money rolling in that I don't know about? Please feel free to tell me because my opinion of his character would change if I though he was saying things he did not believe just to con people, since that is what a snake oil salesman really is.

Please cite where I said that truthers "have something" because I sure don't remember. Gaps? Well the government routinely refuses to disclose things based on "national security" e.g. the security tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon . What possible threat to security would it be to show the tapes? Why not just release them so people will shut up? When the government does this it gives "gaps" that CT nuts get to easily fill in with hoo ha.
 
DavidJames said:
Turn off the Internet and they disappear.
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Well now, that's not entirely fair!
I did see my first 9/11 inside job related item outside of the internet earlier today, someone scratched the words, "WTC = Bombed" into a toilet paper dispenser in a public restroom.

Thus, I can conclude that the truth movement exists only on the internet and in the sewer system.
 
The Truth Movement is annoying and something to be wary of but it's never struck me as terribly scary. There's simply not enough Type A personalities in that group to accomplish much of anything beyond bluster.

However their lack of creating revolutions doesn't preclude some isolated kook trying to create the war all on his own with a van of TNT and that is something to be concerned about.
 
richman2112 said:
So your saying this Balsamo guy is a threat to the world? ...

Apologists for terrorists??? They dont believe that terrorists did it so how can they be apologists for them?? ...

"thermite Jones" huh? What does he get for all his lies? ...

... the security tapes of the plane hitting the pentagon . ...
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Balsamo; you are correct he is only a threat when he takes over. Like Hitler. But you are right the chances of Balsamo taking over the world are as good as him being able to do math or physics to explain flight 77.

I call it apologizing for terrorist when they make up lies and blame others. 19 terrorist did 911, 911Truth is apologizing for them by placing the blame back on us. That seems like and excuse for the terrorists, when 911Truth says, "the terrorists didn't do it; we did". Sorry, I have two strikes against me; an engineer and a pilot.

Jones is pathetic. I hope he does not make money telling lies. Someone who lies for free is as bad as those making a profit. Jones is the worse kind of fraud as he sells ideas, albeit even if free, he is selling lies consumed by gullible people. I don't like people misleading people; why let them off the hook for it? There are no terms to express my disgust for Jones and 911Truth. I may not be as personable as Jones, but then I am not making up dim witted ideas to mislead people on an event. Jones being very nice and personable must fool people as he spews delusions.

What security tapes? I was in the military, we never had extra money for security tapes unless some general went nuts and wanted to film landings so we could review the landings we did! I can see it now, general Dreddle wants to film the walls of the Pentagon in-case some SAC pilots crash into the wall; we need to catch on video an aircraft going 540 mph or more at an approach angle twice that of a normal landing. What? What gaps? 77 hit the Pentagon and only those who lack knowledge can't figure it out. What gaps? No security tapes are needed to prove Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon. The DNA proves who hit the Pentagon with 77. Gaps are only delusions pushed by 911Truth leaders to keep their 911Truth followers in the dark pit of ignorance.



I can't find any gaps that exist that keep from understanding 19 terrorist killing 8 pilots and crashing 4 planes. The security tapes most likely do not exist save in the minds of the 911Truth false information campaign of stupid. Gaps? There are gaps in the knowledge base of 911Truth, they use no evidence that is available and they have no evidence to support their claims.

If people believe their government did 911 they are missing knowledge, logic, sound judgment and more. They are not patriots, they are ill-informed followers and have not exercised their own minds to figure out 911 and failed to be skeptical of the idiot ideas they are spreading.

But you are right; we will loose 50,000 people in car accidents this year; the best 911Truth can do is produce a Tim McVeigh like dolt, upset with the government; killing a few people to a few hundred. Harmless compared to car accidents, and snake bites, and near lightning deaths per year if one 911Truth nut goes off the deep end.

But most 911Truth is as active as this one.
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I like your post save the gaps stuff. I found no gaps that would keep rational people from understanding 911.
 
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Well I would hate to think that there were several places on the lawn of the pentagon of the united states that weren't being taped at all times. Also they supposedly seized all the tapes from the surrounding businesses like the gas station and hotels and what not. Yet all they released was one video that was blurry and easily manipulated into a "missile" . The bottom line is that no matter what, we live in a time where our government is acting shifty and underhanded. Sure the 911 theories are far out there but dont forget that the sole reason those planes hit to begin with is because our government completely failed at their job of keeping us secure. We had four planes simultaneously hijacked and not one was intercepted. I think it is reasonable to say that some info was withheld just to cover the asses of the idiots who were in charge and failed to protect our country. Then you have ridiculous laws like the patriot act passed and other very unamerican laws as well. The failure on 911 had nothing to do with our governments inability to listen in on our phone calls. It had to do with our intelligence agencies becoming a bloated bureaucracy and not wanting to work together. And what is their solution? take away our liberties and make the government an even larger bureaucracy. Yeah that will fix it. We live in america and our government is supposed to be run by the people, that means we are supposed to be told what is going on without secret congress meetings and presidents who will only talk about things without being under oath and without over site. When the government acts the way ours has they are begging for the people to accuse them of tyranny and I think it's good for people to make a stink. Wrong or right at least someone is holding them accountable for something even if it is not true. I see virtually no one holding them accountable for what they are doing so it might as well be a bunch of bull.
 
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Well I would hate to think that there were several places on the lawn of the pentagon of the united states that weren't being taped at all times.
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For what purpose? There is nothing unknown about what happened at the Pentagon that would be answered by more or better video of the incoming plane.

More surveillance cameras pointed at the lawns would, at best, show the same 3-frame blur that the one we have shows. That's what happens when a slow-frame-rate camera catches an object going at 500MPH close up.
 
They dont believe that terrorists did it so how can they be apologists for them??
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Because they lie intentionally to pass blame on the terrorists, so they can blame it on the "TEH GUMBERMENT"

Hell, some believe that all Islamic terrorist attacks in the Middle East were made by United States to make Muslims look bad.

The question I should be asking you is "what makes them NOT terrorist apologists?"
 
Sure the 911 theories are far out there but dont forget that the sole reason those planes hit to begin with is because our government completely failed at their job of keeping us secure.
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The only intelligent thing you said.
 
When the government acts the way ours has they are begging for the people to accuse them of tyranny and I think it's good for people to make a stink.
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You think it's good for people to call for an execution of these people without proof? Guilty until proven innocent ?

Hard to take your entire argument seriously when you think it is completely reasonable for the 9/11 deniers to go around committing crimes all because they THINK the government is behind 9/11 despite NO EVIDENCE.
 
Why on Earth are people demanding there should be more video evidence for something witnessed by hundreds of people?
 
MarkyX said:
You think it's good for people to call for an execution of these people without proof? Guilty until proven innocent ?

Hard to take your entire argument seriously when you think it is completely reasonable for the 9/11 deniers to go around committing crimes all because they THINK the government is behind 9/11 despite NO EVIDENCE.
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Yup. Regardless of what the truthers think, rational people realize truthers have NO real evidence to support coming to their conclusion. It's all about ideology and politics. Any group who bases their actions on something that is more than likely not true--as if it were the gospel--is scary.
 
For what purpose? There is nothing unknown about what happened at the Pentagon that would be answered by more or better video of the incoming plane.

More surveillance cameras pointed at the lawns would, at best, show the same 3-frame blur that the one we have shows. That's what happens when a slow-frame-rate camera catches an object going at 500MPH close up.
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That is exactly my point. Why make my point again and try to pass it off as a different opinion? The point wasn't whether the tapes would show anything different it was that there is no valid reason not to release the tapes. The people demand to see the tapes so the government is supposed to provide them, last time I checked that was the way our government was supposed to work.
 
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MarkyX said:
Because they lie intentionally to pass blame on the terrorists, so they can blame it on the "TEH GUMBERMENT"

Hell, some believe that all Islamic terrorist attacks in the Middle East were made by United States to make Muslims look bad.

The question I should be asking you is "what makes them NOT terrorist apologists?"
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WOW! You throw the word "they" around about as good as "they" do, maybe you should do some writing for "them' .
"Some" believe this and "some" believe that and "they" lie intentionally to blah blah blah. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. I cant believe you could have the nerve to question my intelligence.
Please prove your claims that they are lying and do not believe what they assert. It might take a long time to prove each individual group is lying since it would only be intellectually honest to go group by group.

What makes "them" NOT terrorist apologists? Their individual motives thats what.
 
MarkyX said:
You think it's good for people to call for an execution of these people without proof? Guilty until proven innocent ?

Hard to take your entire argument seriously when you think it is completely reasonable for the 9/11 deniers to go around committing crimes all because they THINK the government is behind 9/11 despite NO EVIDENCE.
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Apparently the government does not have a problem with this line of thinking so why should you? Just ask the enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay.

Here, take Thomas Jefferson seriously :
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)
 
Yup. Regardless of what the truthers think, rational people realize truthers have NO real evidence to support coming to their conclusion. It's all about ideology and politics. Any group who bases their actions on something that is more than likely not true--as if it were the gospel--is scary.
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Ideology and politics? It is about freedom and the right to speak your mind, even if your mind is a little deluded. When a country justifies demonizing people who speak against government then they create a climate for government to pass laws that forbid it.
 
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