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kurious_kathy said:
Okay here's one verse that comes to mind,

1 Corinthians 15: 51 -53 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

and here's another reference in scripture that seems even more clear about there is most certainly a rapture that will happen.

1 Thes. 4:13-18 The Coming of the Lord
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
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I just don't get "rapture" from these passages. Just sounds like Second Coming/Last Judgment to me.
 
kurious_kathy said:
No God is good. Just because he gives men authority over women does not mean he does not see us as equals. Women have a different role in life than men. We are just as important to God as men are.
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so whats the case in homosexual or polygamous marriage?

whos in charge there?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Okay Hokulele in the church of Corinth there were some big issues that Paul needed to address as they were getting a bit out of sinc as to the Holy Spirits leading and teaching. The women needed to be reminded to respect mens authority(and we still do today) which is the hierarchy that God has put in place. Jesus is the head of the church and men are right under him in authority and then women. We women can be deaconess's in a church but not a pastor as that is Gods way. What's important in Christianity is we learn to submit to the Lord and the way he ordaines things. The man is still called to be the head of the household and the spiritual leader for his family too.
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So, if a male Christian told you to hold your tongue and stop evangelizing at us, would you have to obey?
 
Get back to the kitchen.

kk, do you have long hair, but cover it in church. Some Xtian women do and some don't.
 
kurious_kathy said:
God Word is the evidence, he said it, and I believe it. Gods word brings life into a persons soul if they let the Holy Spirit in you just know it's all true. I can't put it more plainly than this. God's Word is alive and active and brings life to all who call on the name of Jesus. He's the one that needs to show you the way.
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There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who also know in their hearts they are right. You would probably say they are condemned to hell for not accepting Jesus as the son of God and his sacrifice for our sins made in your narrative. They would say this was rather your fate. They have the Quran, which they say is the final word of God. It seems one group must be very wrong so can we rely on our feelings?

How could anyone determine if this feeling of certainty was coming from God, their own wishful thinking, the Matrix, Satan or other mischevious entity?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Okay here's one verse that comes to mind,

1 Corinthians 15: 51 -53 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

and here's another reference in scripture that seems even more clear about there is most certainly a rapture that will happen.

1 Thes. 4:13-18 The Coming of the Lord
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
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Where's the ones about the following seven years' Tribulation, and then the 1000 Years kingdom on earth with Satan locked in hell, and then the New Heaven and Earth?

Cuz I know my Rapture teachings, lady, and you ain't got it by even half.

You guys do know that these cowards expect their God to take them off the planet and leave everyone else here to suffer unimaginable torments at the hands of the Antichrist for seven years, and die. All of us. Then, after we're dead, the cowards get to come back, sweep us into the garbage, and party for a 1000 years, woo-hoo!

The next time a christian says she's anticipating the Rapture of the Saints, do remember she's basically saying, "I can't wait until a world dictator kills you all!"

Such lovely people.
 
Last Judgment, baby. The Sorting of the Sheep and the Goats, the Wheat from Chaff, the Doomed from the Screw You Guys, I'M going home! But if you were at the party, you get an auto-in to the after-party, no sweat. I think it's more or less formality, really.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
No God is good. Just because he gives men authority over women does not mean he does not see us as equals. Women have a different role in life than men. We are just as important to God as men are.
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I am amazed at the mental gymnastics you have to perform to reconcile the world as you see it with the world as described in the Bible. How in the devil's name do you believe that women are simultaneously equal and subservient?

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ETA: just when I think that you have run out of new ways to offend posters on this board, you find a new one.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
What I find disturbing about this is that the bible seems to imply that people in Heaven can actually communicate with people in Hell. You've been in Heaven one billion years and your family has been in hell for the same length of time what would you tell a loved one burning in said hell?
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Wish you were here.
 
Ladewig said:
I am amazed at the mental gymnastics you have to perform to reconcile the world as you see it with the world as described in the Bible. How in the devil's name do you believe that women are simultaneously equal and subservient?
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Duh...separate but equal....oh wait.

ETA: just when I think that you have run out of new ways to offend posters on this board, you find a new one.
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If you don't understand reality, you tend not to know what is offensive.
 
slingblade said:
You guys do know that these cowards expect their God to take them off the planet and leave everyone else here to suffer unimaginable torments at the hands of the Antichrist for seven years, and die. All of us. Then, after we're dead, the cowards get to come back, sweep us into the garbage, and party for a 1000 years, woo-hoo!
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Which is exactly why I characterized it as revenge fantasy. Just you wait, you unbelievers, until Jesus comes back with the trump of God! Then we'll see who's sorry!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Okay here's one verse that comes to mind,

1 Corinthians 15: 51 -53 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
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Which says absolutely nothing about "the Rapture." I realize it's common in evangelical circles to consider any verse with the word "trumpet" in it as relating to "the Rapture" but the above is clearly nothing but a promise of resurrection.

kurious_kathy said:
and here's another reference in scripture that seems even more clear about there is most certainly a rapture that will happen.

1 Thes. 4:13-18 The Coming of the Lord
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.
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Actually, no it isn't. It's an assurance from the author* that the dead in Christ will be resurrected. The early members of the Church had been promised that Christ would return in their lifetimes, and fully expected to live to see that happen, but were concerned for those who died before Christ's return - what would become of them? The author was assuring them that the dead believers would be resurrected when Jesus returned.

Interpreting this as prophecy of the Rapture is a modern bit of exegesis, though I doubt you yourself even know who Darby or Scofield were. Further, either of the verses you cite tell us anything about the Tribulation, the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth or any other features of "the Rapture."


*Probably not Paul. Or, rather, Thessalonians was probably pieced together by a post-apostolic writer from earlier fragments which may have been Pauline in origin, but certainly was changed in the process.
 
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Hokulele said:
Uh oh, KK. A Christian man has spoken and you had better respect his authority.

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I have it on good authority that Mr Clingford puts sugar on his porridge, so she's off the hook on that one.

Nice try though. If only it were that simple.
 
Roadtoad said:
First of all, learn to spell, dammit.

Second, how dare you? You have repeatedly shown yourself to be one of the most hateful, arrogant, self-centered posters on this board. Your whole attitude is one of self-righteousness, "Look at me! I'm so holy, suffering for Jesus as I'm witnessing to those horrible atheists at JREF!"
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Nominated!
 
kurious_kathy said:
No God is good. Just because he gives men authority over women does not mean he does not see us as equals. Women have a different role in life than men. We are just as important to God as men are.
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No matter how much you rattle your chains and tell he how sweet your servitude is we are appalled at your slavery.
 
kurious_kathy said:
No God is good.
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This I can agree with. No god is good--all gods, as they are made in man's image (and not the other way around, despite what your Bible tells you), are inherently flawed. Of course, your context means you probably intended a comma between the no and the god, but if you're hung up on literal interpretations, this statement is perfectly accurate.
 
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