From Rapture Ready

In response to my question, "Is the JREF Sexist?" I say, no; perhaps vulgar, off color, argumentative, inappropriate, contrarian and short-tempered, but not sexist. Today, however, I can say after reading Kurious Kathy's posts, that yes, undoubtedly, there is one true blue sexist at the JREF.

Thank you KK, for providing me the litmus test that I was searching for.
 
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kbm99 said:
I have it on good authority that Mr Clingford puts sugar on his porridge, so she's off the hook on that one.

Nice try though. If only it were that simple.
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Hey now, I actually do put salt on my porridge, but I'm only a quarter Scottish, so perhaps I don't count.
 
kurious_kathy said:
The women needed to be reminded to respect mens authority(and we still do today) which is the hierarchy that God has put in place. Jesus is the head of the church and men are right under him in authority and then women.
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You are just a scary, scary woman and and a role model for every battered wife who puts up with her husband's abuse. Can't you see how dangerous your brand of non-questioning obedience is?
 
Mr Clingford said:
Get back to the kitchen.

kk, do you have long hair, but cover it in church. Some Xtian women do and some don't.
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:clap:

Thank you Mr. Clingford for asserting your male authority!! Now KK, put a sock in it, you've been told to by someone in authority! :D
 
slingblade said:
I can clearly see now, Kathy, that you truly do love your neighbor every bit as much as you love yourself. And that's a damned shame.
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This is her biggest problem and why she has so much trouble here. She truly believes herself to be worthless, hopeless, and deserving of all the abuse anyone can heap on her. She's made mistakes in her past, bad choices, and suffered for them, and now she believes she deserves all that suffering. She's the perfect case study for clinical severe depression. Unfortunately, she's in denial about that, too, and refuses to accept it and get treated for it because she apparently had a couple of bad experiences with that as well (quack therapists and ineffective medication).

Her religion has given her a way to deal with it. It confirms all her fears and gives her an easy explanation for why she feels the way she does. It also removes her responsibility to do anything about it; she can't possibly change because that's the way God made her. Sick it most certainly is, but it's easy and comfortably familiar. As I recall, you would understand all too well how hard it can be for the abused to actually effect change in their lives. She hasn't got the strength of will to manage it on her own, and the people around her are only interested in reinforcing her beliefs because it matches their sick version of the religion, too. Besides, all she talks about are the men in her life, and in their book, they've got the upper hand, so why would they want to change that by empowering a mere female?

Unfortunately for her, she projects all that sickness in her preaching. She bleats on and on about how horrible we all are and how we deserve the eternal tortures of hell and how we have to accept and worship the instrument of that torture, like a battered woman singing the praises of her abusive husband. She literally cannot see the good in the world because she can't find it in herself, and in the kind of church she attends, the bad is all that's preached. The believers have to be kept scared to keep them from abandoning the flock.

And she wonders why none of us are accepting her message. It's because she's not asking for us to be saved; she's asking us to join her in her own eternity of torment inflicted by her own abused mind. She can't see any other outlook in life, so she can't accept that anyone else's views may differ.

I pity her; I really do. But I'm also sick of her barging into any and every thread on the board and dragging it off-topic to rant at us again with her sick message. I'm also finding it hard to find any sympathy for someone who absolutely refuses to help themselves, even when help is offered. She's sticking her fingers in her ears and yelling "LA-LA-LA-I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!" at the top of her lungs. Her flailing tantrums are hurting people, and she can't see the pain she's causing (or refuses to acknowledge it, but I can't even accuse her of being that deliberatly cruel because I don't think she can see it, since that would require her to understand and accept a viewpoint that's different from her own).

I wish she would be banned already. Yes, I know, censorship is bad, yada yada. But she's so completely off-topic most of the time that she derails all other constructive debates. She's rude and thoughtless and is insulting other posters. I've never heard her apologize for any of it. She's bad for the board, bad for her religion, and bad for herself.

I suggest that whenever she pops into a thread and makes an off-topic comment just to preach again that we ignore her as if she never said anything. She can't be reasoned with and isn't willing to try to understand anything beyond her own preaching. So, like a pushy child, she should be ignored until she can behave herself.

My $.04 (it's too long a rant for two cents). YMMV
 
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Roadtoad said:
First of all, learn to spell, dammit.
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What do you expect from someone who listens to books being read -to- them instead of reading them for themselves?

I've tried audio books, and I just can't see how anyone can absorb anything from them. Which is probably why KK prefers them.
 
Niggle said:
I suggest that whenever she pops into a thread and makes an off-topic comment just to preach again that we ignore her as if she never said anything. She can't be reasoned with and isn't willing to try to understand anything beyond her own preaching. So, like a pushy child, she should be ignored until she can behave herself.
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Good points. And if she really is derailing a thread, those posts can be reported.
 
supercorgi said:
You are just a scary, scary woman and and a role model for every battered wife who puts up with her husband's abuse. Can't you see how dangerous your brand of non-questioning obedience is?
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No, SC, she can't, or won't. Kathy is convinced that if she thinks for herself, Jesus won't love her anymore. :(
 
Roadtoad said:
First of all, learn to spell, dammit.

Second, how dare you? You have repeatedly shown yourself to be one of the most hateful, arrogant, self-centered posters on this board. Your whole attitude is one of self-righteousness, "Look at me! I'm so holy, suffering for Jesus as I'm witnessing to those horrible atheists at JREF!"

Oh, please. You demonstrate time and again why no one in their right mind would listen to the blather of Rapture Ready, (and yes, I've read it, and it's far more disturbing than anything you can imagine), and why it's so repugnant to the rest of us.

At what point, Kathy, do you GET IT?

When I was a believer, I used to pray to God that if my actions were an affront to the lost, if I did anything that might cost another person their salvation, that I would be the one sent to Hell, not them. What, pray tell, in your actions or words indicates that kind of willingness to accept your responsibilities for your actions? Nothing, from this vantage point; you're simply here to look good for your fellow "believers" back home.

At NO POINT have you really read the Bible. If you had, you might have realized that the point of the Book of Revelation was that God is victorious in the end. There are people enduring far worse than anything listed in the Book of Revelation, some of them doing so for the sake of Christ. It has NOTHING to do with a coming "Rapture," and that the whole business of a "Rapture" is simply one more way for certain "Christians" to avoid their very public (and very real) responsibilities in this world. "See? I don't have to help shelter the homeless, or feed the hungry. There's wars and rumors of war, and all kinds of natural disasters. JESUS is coming soon, and so I'll just sit here on my ass and wait for him to take me home."

It's a pant-load. You ignore the realities that in centuries past, Christians built hospitals, schools, shelters, farms, and they served their communities with humility and gratitude. You, on the other hand, come here and bleat your "sermons," ignoring the damage you do to your own testimony, (which is a frigging crock), and the damage you do to the long-respected history of Christianity's service to the nations. You become an embarrassment to groups such as Voice of the Martyrs and Open Doors.

Let me tell you something: I've actually met Brother Andrew, (the author of God's Smuggler.) He's one of the gutsiest men I've ever met, and someone I respect, and will respect, as long as I live. He doesn't talk the Gospel, he lives it. His actions are not just centered on preaching the Bible, but on working for the civil liberties of ALL people. His concern goes far beyond converting people to Jesus, but making sure they can live in liberty. It extends beyond one particular belief system. His actions are designed to help all people, because if he only helps those who agree with him, what value is there to his words and his work?

That, Kathy, is called INTEGRITY. You have none. Why should we listen to you when you have insulted us, when you have degraded us, and when you insult with your words and actions the Christian family members we love? You humiliate people we respect with your constant riff about salvation, something you have clearly no interest in seeing anyone here achieving. I honestly think you'd be groovin' on the notion of watching us drop into the Lake of Fire, one by one. That's a sick piece of business, if you ask me, (not that you did.)

Your words might have carried some weight at one point, but not in the past couple of years. Your actions have shown you lack anything resembling compassion, courtesy, or courage. If anything, you've shown your words to be nothing more than waste, (and that's being polite).

I'm tired of reading your continual rambling about a God of whom you know nothing, and have even less interest in learning about. This is some sort of power trip for you, and it's insulting to continue to read this blather from you.

Do yourself a favor: Just once, read the Bible, the whole way through, and do it on your own, without someone coaching you. Think for yourself, for once in your life.

And at the very least, start acting like a Christian.
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*Stands up
*Applauds
 
Roadtoad said:
JESUS is coming soon, and so I'll just sit here on my ass and wait for him to take me home."



I suspect this sums up the whole thing in 25 words or less.

Most of the RR posters seem to have the same problems we all do. Bad marriages-alcoholism-drug addiction-health problems-job & financial problems....

Let's face it though--dealing with these problems in the here & now is not easy.

It's not easy to go back to school & learn something new.

It's not easy to end a marriage.

It's not easy to stop booze/tobacco/drugs/fatty foods etc etc.

It's not easy to start excercising & eating right.

It's so much easier to pass all these things off as being part of gods master plan.

"God gave me bad health to test me-blah blah blah".....nothing I can do about it....but hey--I'm saved so in a few months--I'll be flying up into to the air to a magical place where everything is just peachy all the time.

No need to make all those painfull changes and do all that hard work that is often necessary to improve our lives.

There was a post there awhile back from someone asking if he should skip his scheduled surgury---since he was probably going to be raptured out of the whole mess within a few months.

It was pretty disturbing to see the # of people who agreed that there was no point in bothering with the surgery.

It reminds me of the scene in Lawrence of Arabia when Lawrence wants to go back into the desert to save his friend who fell off his camel. He's told not to-he'd be risking his own life--and since it's gods will that he fell off the goddamned camel---he should just let it go at that.

An excuse to sit on your ass and a free pass into heaven with an 11th hr repentance---even if you've been a total jerk all your life.

It's actually surprising there aren't more people swallowing this bilge than there are..
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kurious_kathy said:
and here's another reference in scripture that seems even more clear about there is most certainly a rapture that will happen.

1 Thes. 4:13-18 The Coming of the Lord
15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
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The bolded part should make it obvious, even to KK, that the person who wrote this was convinced the second coming would occur during his life, just as convinced as KK is that the second coming will occur during her life.

Steve S.
 
She uses the same lines here that were used on me by Christians to justify my ex's cheating and hitting.

I could get all indignant and try to get her to see that men aren't women's natural superiors, because there is no such thing. I could try to get her to see that what she's saying is a control mechanism she's eagerly bought into, because she wants to be controlled, so she doesn't have to do the hard work of thinking for herself. I could spout all kinds of froth and wrath about perpetuating sexism, and let her know that right now, probably on her very block, there's a woman being hit in the face by her Christian husband because she isn't properly submitting.

But the one who needs to hear it won't listen, and the ones who will listen don't need to hear it. So what's the point?
 
slingblade said:
So what's the point?
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The point is that not all of us fit into the either/or camps...

Some of us have friends, neighbours, etc who are being assaulted by their husbands and we need a wake-up call to act

Please sling, keep up the good work
 
JetLeg said:
Originally Posted by yodaluver28
I can't tell you what it meant to me to get an apology from my father for it when I finally told him how it tormented me as a child.




Was he religious when he gave the apology? If so, why did he apologize, wouldn't he think "I just told my child the truth"?
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Yes, he was still religious when he apologized although nowhere near as fundamentalist as he had once been. He apologized because I don't think he ever realized how painful those things were for us to hear at such a young age until I told him. I also don't think he ever imagined how counterproductive to his intentions it was. He obviously wanted us to believe what he said was all true because he believed that it was but all it made me do was hope and eventually believe that he was dead wrong.
 
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